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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:49 pm
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(January 21, 2017 at 10:39 pm)Tiberius Wrote: The whole "clump of cells" and "potential life" arguments never convince me either. Those cells have distinct human DNA, and are very much alive.
Yep. For liking science so much, science seems to fly out the window when abortion is the topic.
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:49 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 10:48 pm)pool the great Wrote: Jesster Wrote:I will not call a clump of cells a person until it is viable to live as one on its own. What about a person surviving under life support in a hospital - is that not a person?
That's not a clump of cells moron
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:50 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 10:48 pm)pool the great Wrote: Jesster Wrote:I will not call a clump of cells a person until it is viable to live as one on its own. What about a person surviving under life support in a hospital - is that not a person?
Again, viability is the point. A person under life support is a fully formed person. I should have expected everyone to confuse my meaning entirely to make their point.
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:50 pm
Ok, so to prevent confusion, can you accurately define what you mean by "viability"?
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:51 pm
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(January 21, 2017 at 10:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 21, 2017 at 10:39 pm)Tiberius Wrote: The whole "clump of cells" and "potential life" arguments never convince me either. Those cells have distinct human DNA, and are very much alive.
Yep. For liking science so much, science seems to fly out the window when abortion is the topic.
Having unique DNA doesn't make a person nor does being alive so no science is very much on our side
It is just a clump of cells and it's not a person yet the status of it's DNA means nothing nor does the fact it's alive
(January 21, 2017 at 10:50 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Ok, so to prevent confusion, can you accurately define what you mean by "viability"?
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:53 pm
I am talking about the ability to to live outside of the womb. That is a fully formed person. That is why I used the "brick" vs "building" comparison to avoid that confusion.
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:55 pm
Ok, but a newborn baby can't live on its own. It needs an adult to look after it. This is true of most mammals.
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:55 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Jesster Wrote: I am talking about the ability to to live outside of the womb. That is a fully formed person. That is why I used the "brick" vs "building" comparison to avoid that confusion.
And no if that person had been born without injury or disability then they would still be fully formed so the Anti choice ere can stop trying to accuse of eugenics
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:56 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Jesster Wrote: I am talking about the ability to to live outside of the womb. That is a fully formed person. That is why I used the "brick" vs "building" comparison to avoid that confusion.
Why is that a fully formed person?
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:56 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 10:55 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Ok, but a newborn baby can't live on its own. It needs an adult to look after it. This is true of most mammals.
It can still eat breath and shit on it's own with the mothers resources nor is it located inside the mother when it's born
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