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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:57 pm
No one is fully formed until after puberty.
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:57 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 10:56 pm)Tiberius Wrote: (January 21, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Jesster Wrote: I am talking about the ability to to live outside of the womb. That is a fully formed person. That is why I used the "brick" vs "building" comparison to avoid that confusion.
Why is that a fully formed person?
Because it has all the components of a fully formed human being the fetus does not
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 10:58 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 10:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No one is fully formed until after puberty.
Those are not formations those are modifications to already existing structures all the prerequisites are in place
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:02 pm
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2017 at 11:03 pm by Tiberius.)
You literally said "I am talking about the ability to to live outside of the womb".
I'm challenging your definition. Newborn babies cannot live outside the womb without adults.
However if that's not good enough, how about a child that requires medication to live. Is that a person? Or is it just dependency on mothers that invalidate a humans "personhood"?
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:02 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 1:13 pm)pool the great Wrote: ![[Image: Screenshot_20170121_223933.png]](https://s27.postimg.org/3xgf4xb9v/Screenshot_20170121_223933.png)
The abortion is entirely her business. But wouldn't it be a trip if she kept the baby and it had a ginger woodpecker hairdo like this kid:
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:04 pm
(January 21, 2017 at 10:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No one is fully formed until after puberty.
Don't be silly.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:05 pm
How's this then? An unformed fetus requires the nutrients from a very specific person's body. Unfortunately, another person cannot simply take over to support that fetus. This is what I mean by not fully formed. When any other person can step in to provide in the biological mother's stead, then that is a viable person.
Have I made this clear enough now?
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RE: Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?
January 21, 2017 at 11:06 pm
Not being silly at all. Just stating a fact.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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