Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?

[brewer]

I would like to see the elimination of abortion on demand, severely restricted to only those cases involving rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother. Even in those cases restrictions to charges of rape and incest, measures to interrupt the pregnancy need to be done within the first week of the offense. I also want to see the total federal defunding of Planned Parenthood.

This is very limited thinking, possibly ignorance.

[Aegon]

I would like to see the elimination of abortion on demand, severely restricted to only those cases involving rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother. Even in those cases restrictions to charges of rape and incest, measures to interrupt the pregnancy need to be done within the first week of the offense. I also want to see the total federal defunding of Planned Parenthood.

You realize, contrary to the narrative in the conservative echo chamber you like to spend so much time in, Planned Parenthood does a hell of a lot for women's health services aside from abortion, right? STD testing and treatments, cancer screenings, contraceptive services. IIRC, abortion services account for less than 3 percent of their annual spending.

[LadyForCamus]

I would like to see the elimination of abortion on demand, severely restricted to only those cases involving rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother. Even in those cases restrictions to charges of rape and incest, measures to interrupt the pregnancy need to be done within the first week of the offense. I also want to see the total federal defunding of Planned Parenthood.

Defunding planned parenthood?  Fuck you.  And, gross.

Also:

The first week?  What exactly are you talking about?  As in, two weeks prior to ovulation, before the woman even conceives?  Or, as in one week after conception when it's impossible to get a positive pregnancy test because implantation hasn't even occurred yet?  Lol.  Zip up your fly; you're ignorance regarding human reproductive biology is showing.  Me thinks you need to sit in on a few women's health courses before weighing in on this matter.

[Crunchy]

I would like to see the elimination of abortion on demand, severely restricted to only those cases involving rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother. Even in those cases restrictions to charges of rape and incest, measures to interrupt the pregnancy need to be done within the first week of the offense. I also want to see the total federal defunding of Planned Parenthood.

Those are terrible ideas and not just because you want to enforce your opinion on others, but because you are actively trying to increase the number of abortions and increase the number of children born to low income families who will later be dependent on government and commit crime in disproportionate numbers.

It is a fact that planned parenthood reduces the number of unwanted pregnancies that occur disproportionately in low income areas.  Helping these people get access to a health services that more affluent people get helps them but it also helps us all...you too!

[LadyForCamus]

I would like to see the elimination of abortion on demand, severely restricted to only those cases involving rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother. Even in those cases restrictions to charges of rape and incest, measures to interrupt the pregnancy need to be done within the first week of the offense. I also want to see the total federal defunding of Planned Parenthood.

You realize, contrary to the narrative in the conservative echo chamber you like to spend so much time in, Planned Parenthood does a hell of a lot for women's health services aside from abortion, right? STD testing and treatments, cancer screenings, contraceptive services. IIRC, abortion services account for less than 3 percent of their annual spending.

Of course he doesn't know any of that, lol.  Why bother to be properly informed before spouting off?  Where's the fun in that?  

[Amarok]

And just her responsibility?  I suppose you think it is incumbent on women to take more precautions against abortion.  Both sexes have a sex drive but women alone bare the blame when a sperm makes it to an egg?

I literally said, "The moment a woman becomes pregnant she is also responsible for another human being". I didn't say, "The moment a woman becomes pregnant she is solely responsible for the pregnancy". I have no idea what you're talking about.

If I'm correct in remembering that you identify as gay your stance here seems rather facile.

Ah yes, the identity politics. Well listen here then, I also identify as a 20 time Olympic gold medalist sex god, my pronouns are "Oh yeah daddy" and "Just like that daddy".

And more stupid

From the lying asshole got that quote yet pool oh wait because it doesn't exist

And yup and see deals with that responsibility by having an abortion

[Jesster]

The pro-choice response to this is to refuse to acknowledge that unborn children have rights

No. The pro-choice response to this is to refuse to acknowledge that the unborn fetus has more rights than than the mother.

Damn it. Straw like this always draws me back in. No. No more. Throw all the straw at me that you want, but this is it. I'm throwing in the "agree to disagree" card on my end because it's so tiring to argue against others misunderstanding me so easily.

[Amarok]

Yup massive strawman

It's supposed right to life doesn't come close to a woman's right to her own body. And all that goes on within if she doesn't want the fetus there it's has no right to be there. And she has every right to remove it. If that results in i's death that's unfortunate but anything less is a violation of her body.

[Catholic_Lady]

Newborns and ppl with mental retardation such as Down Syndrome or anything of the like, don't have "minds like ourselves" either.

True, but that they exist at all is evidence that they matter to someone, someone like us who supports and loves them.  Therefore we have to extend to them the same consideration we do to others like ourselves, just as we expect them to do toward our loved ones.

You're saying the only reason babies and the mentally handicapped deserve the same considerations as ourselves (the right to life) is if they "matter" to someone more worthy. Shouldn't the fact that they are innocent human beings be enough?

That sounds incredibly cruel. And I don't mean that in a personally insulting way to you, as I know you're not a cruel person. But that just sounded really really bad. You're basically saying they are inherently lesser than us.

[brewer]

No. The pro-choice response to this is to refuse to acknowledge that the unborn fetus has more rights than than the mother.

Damn it. Straw like this always draws me back in. No. No more. Throw all the straw at me that you want, but this is it. I'm throwing in the "agree to disagree" card on my end because it's so tiring to argue against others misunderstanding me so easily.

I'll agree with you, for the most part. I think that there is a point in gestation when the life/considerations of the fetus needs to be considered equally with the life/considerations of the mother. 

No response required.