Guys.....isn't this going a bit too far?

[Amarok]

The fetus has no right to the woman's body.

And I completely agree with that. But neither does a woman have a right on the baby's body. So let nature take its course and have the woman deliver the baby, that way nones rights are infringed..

She doesn't but neither does that body have right to be in her body so invent a way to keep it alive outside her body or shut up

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

So you'd force the woman by law to stay pregnant, then give birth, but you somehow don't see that as anyone's rights being infringed?

Wow, pool.

But you'd be okay denying the right of a baby to live and doesn't see it as it's right to live being infringed, right?

On the one side you have a baby that didn't even ask to be born and now everybody's out to fucking kill it. On the other side there's a woman that had a say in putting it there even though it could've been avoided and now is throwing a fit about how unfair life is.

[FatAndFaithless]

So you'd force the woman by law to stay pregnant, then give birth, but you somehow don't see that as anyone's rights being infringed?

Wow, pool.

But you'd be okay denying the right of a baby to live and doesn't see it as it's right to live being infringed, right?

On the one side you have a baby that didn't even ask to be born and now everybody's out to fucking kill it. On the other side there's a woman that had a say in putting it there even though it could've been avoided and now is throwing a fit about how unfair life is.

This is why this discussion is so useless with you pool.  You view one side as literally advocating for murdering babies.  This is a complex topic that involves conflicting rights.  One of the two's rights will be valued over the other.  My position is valuing the right of the woman, the sentient, conscious woman whose body is her own and cannot be used against her will, over the rights of the fetus.  I value the woman over the fetus.  You value the fetus over the woman.  But don't pretend like you're not advocating for infringing upon the rights of the woman, and please don't frame my side of the discussion as a bunch of baby killers.  You want to do that, fine, go fuck yourself and the conversation's over.  See how productive that was?

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Funny that pool points to a womans irresponsability for getting pregnant but is stunningly silent about the dude that stuck the dick into her. His responsability is equal to her. There are condoms and vasectomies.

Who do you think takes upon mandatory fatherhood? The lamppost?

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You view one side as literally advocating for murdering babies.

No, I don't. I see one side as having their priorities all wrong.

Like I said, on the one hand you have a baby that didn't even ask to be alive and now everyone's out to fucking kill it and on the other a woman that had a say in putting it there, could've avoided it and now is crying about how unfair life is. I'm not pro life but letting the baby live in that scenario is definitely the most humane thing to do.

[LastPoet]

So you'd force the woman by law to stay pregnant, then give birth, but you somehow don't see that as anyone's rights being infringed?

Wow, pool.

But you'd be okay denying the right of a baby to live and doesn't see it as it's right to live being infringed, right?

On the one side you have a baby that didn't even ask to be born and now everybody's out to fucking kill it. On the other side there's a woman that had a say in putting it there even though it could've been avoided and now is throwing a fit about how unfair life is.

How about men's responsabilities, you are a vacuum on that. I will teach you, condoms, spermicides, vasectomies or abstinence. In the day all men show support for a woman they impregnated, we can talk about your vaunted sanctity of life.

Now, I am not a player of any sorts, but all the women I had sex with, only impregnated my current wife. How tha fuck did I do that? Wear a fucking raincoat. Shit we learn this at school.

[FatAndFaithless]

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You view one side as literally advocating for murdering babies.

No, I don't. I see one side as having their priorities all wrong.

Like I said, on the one hand you have a baby that didn't even ask to be alive and now everyone's out to fucking kill it and on the other a woman that had a say in putting it there, could've avoided it and now is crying about how unfair life is. I'm not pro life but letting the baby live in that scenario is definitely the most humane thing to do.

Bolded mine.  You need to sit in the corner and think about what you've said.

[LastPoet]

Who do you think takes upon mandatory fatherhood? The lamppost?

DNA testing. If you argue for a womans irresponsability, you all argue for the men. Surely pregnancy is a possible consequence of sex. Wear a fucking raincoat.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Who do you think takes upon mandatory fatherhood? The lamppost?

DNA testing. If you argue for a womans irresponsability, you all argue for the men. Surely pregnancy is a possible consequence of sex. Wear a fucking raincoat.

I don't even know what you're talking about. You've been talking very strange for a while now, no LP I do not impregnate woman and flee as a hobby or for a laugh. Lol.

[LastPoet]

DNA testing. If you argue for a womans irresponsability, you all argue for the men. Surely pregnancy is a possible consequence of sex. Wear a fucking raincoat.

I don't even know what you're talking about. You've been talking very strange for a while now, no LP I do not impregnate woman and flee as a hobby or for a laugh. Lol.

Its called being a husband and father pool, probably something weird to you. I will make it clearer for you then. A raincoat is what we call a condom. You cannot call for a woman responsibility getting pregnant without a man also being responsible. In fact if men took responsability for their boinking, perhaps less women would be faced with the abortion dilemma. And it is a dillema. I know women tha had abortions. Never met one that said the decision was easy.

It seems very easy to you. But then, to be honest, I don't think much thought comes from you anyway.

[Amarok]

Who do you think takes upon mandatory fatherhood?

Why not in your opinion there should be mandatory motherhood