Guys do you believe Howard Storm's NDE?

[Little Rik]

At the end people wake up and go back to their old beliefs.
In other word the illusions last only the time that it takes for the people to wake up.

Prove it.  You don't know that these people would have gone back to being atheist.  You're just asserting it.

I beg your pardon.  
YOU are the one who allege that illusion last therefore YOUare the one who got to prove that illusion last.
Beside even a demented idiot know that illusion do not last.  

NDEs on the other hand are not tricks.
They are real and they last a whole lifetime in a sharp, clear and vivid panorama.

Yeah, so says you.  Where's the evidence that NDEs correspond to a real, spiritual world.  There is none.   OBEs clearly have false information in them and are a common theme in NDEs.

FOOL.

Read the hundreds of NDEs and see how ex non believers and atheists all of a sudden start to believe.
Not only that but their believe and remember of those few minutes of their NDE last all their lives in a sharp, clear and vivid image.

Are you ready to answer about the woman wearing long johns, or are you going to dodge it yet again?

Your memory is getting worse by the day yog.  
Didn't I asked you to give evidence that that OBE was real and not an illusion?
Once you provide evidence that that is real then I will answer you.  

Well, well yog.  
It seems that you have enough evidence to prove that the karma doesn't exist.
Let us see this evidence yog.  

You're too stupid for words.

Fail once again yog.  
First you behave like a dick that suppose to know everything then when I asked you to give evidence that you are correct you just say.......You're too stupid for words......
What a disaster yog.  

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See what happens, kick -one- dog and karma fucks you over.  

Actually the story is all about Avidya tantric power.
You didn't get it Khem, did you?  

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But we should view the situation according to Baba's vision. . . . In his own awe for avidya tantra, the writer forgot that his purpose in writing was to glorify Baba . . . . The most harmful aspect is that it misportrays Baba's true status and undermines Ananda Marga ideology.

~ Ananda Marga News Bulletin

What a disgusting, sycophantic cult.

After every failing in order to keep the face you pull out one more rabbit from your hat hoping that
that will turn the situation in your favor.
I got bad news for you woman.  
The more you pull out more rabbits from your magic hat the more you sink in the hole.  

[Angrboda]

Prove it.  You don't know that these people would have gone back to being atheist.  You're just asserting it.

I beg your pardon.  
YOU are the one who allege that illusion last therefore YOUare the one who got to prove that illusion last.
Beside even a demented idiot know that illusion do not last.  

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Are you ready to answer about the woman wearing long johns, or are you going to dodge it yet again?

Your memory is getting worse by the day yog.  
Didn't I asked you to give evidence that that OBE was real and not an illusion?
Once you provide evidence that that is real then I will answer you.  

Yeah, dodging the question once again. You're pathetic. "Evidence that the OBE is real" Haha. What a joke.

Well, well yog.  
It seems that you have enough evidence to prove that the karma doesn't exist.
Let us see this evidence yog.  

You're too stupid for words.

Fail once again yog.  
First you behave like a dick that suppose to know everything then when I asked you to give evidence that you are correct you just say.......You're too stupid for words......
What a disaster yog.  

I said you're too stupid for words because only an idiot would believe such a tall tale. And that's the truth. You're just a gullible twat.

[Cyberman]

He's not as retarded as he makes out:

Beside even a demented idiot know that illusion do not last.  

No true idiot drops hints as heavy as this.

[Angrboda]

One guy called Howard Storm ex strong atheist all of a sudden after an NDE experience become a strong theist.
How is that possible?

Since Howard Storm was never near death, he didn't have an NDE. Yet his experience caused profound changes because he thought it was real. I had a hallucination when I was 13. At the time I thought it was real. That hallucination has stayed with me to this day. It isn't necessary for an experience to be real to have lasting effects on a person. Drug experiences have profound effects on the user causing them to go back again and again for the experience. Some illusions / hallucinations have lasting effects. People remember a memorable LSD trip for a lifetime. So your implication that something "must be real" to cause profound changes in the person is simply wrong. Christians and non-believers who attend old time revival meetings have profound experiences which they attribute to Christ, often with lasting effects. You're simply wrong. All it takes is for the person to believe it's real.

Besides, you don't take Howard Storm's account at face value either. He imagined hell which you consider to be an illusory aspect of any NDE, and he converted to Christianity, not your version of God. So apparently you've got your wires crossed. If his experience of God had been "real" why didn't he become a Hindu? So many questions, and you have so few answers. All you can do is repeat the same refuted points.

[Little Rik]

One guy called Howard Storm ex strong atheist all of a sudden after an NDE experience become a strong theist.
How is that possible?

Since Howard Storm was never near death, he didn't have an NDE.

That is bizarre yog.  

http://ndestories.org/howard-storm/

All reports that I have read say that Storm did die and had an NDE.
Can you please show me the report that say otherwise.  

Yet his experience caused profound changes because he thought it was real.

It was real yog but please carry on with your trash analysis.  

I had a hallucination when I was 13.  At the time I thought it was real.  That hallucination has stayed with me to this day.  It isn't necessary for an experience to be real to have lasting effects on a person.  Drug experiences have profound effects on the user causing them to go back again and again for the experience.  Some illusions / hallucinations have lasting effects.  People remember a memorable LSD trip for a lifetime.  So your implication that something "must be real" to cause profound changes in the person is simply wrong.  Christians and non-believers who attend old time revival meetings have profound experiences which they attribute to Christ, often with lasting effects.  You're simply wrong.  All it takes is for the person to believe it's real.

Actually I did have an LSD trip (before yoga and before the correct use of the brain).
I still remember well.
Not the feeling of the LSD trip but that along the trip I felt like I was able to fly.
Luckily I woke up in time before I jump down the balcony.  

No yog.
The feeling that drugs cause are fruit of a chemical reaction inside the brain.
They have absolutely nothing to do with an NDE which is a personal relationship with the mighty God therefore they are an illusion.
The fact that now I completely forgot the feeling of that trip that means that it is (was) an illusion.

Besides, you don't take Howard Storm's account at face value either.  He imagined hell which you consider to be an illusory aspect of any NDE

There is no such a thing as a physical hell.
How could you feel the fire burning if you don't have a body?
The hell is all about a lack of God.
It is a mental suffering and it is not permanent.
As soon as people wake up and grow up the hell vanish like the clouds vanish as the sun and the winds blow them away.    

and he converted to Christianity, not your version of God.  So apparently you've got your wires crossed.  If his experience of God had been "real" why didn't he become a Hindu?  So many questions, and you have so few answers.  All you can do is repeat the same refuted points.

FOOL.  

If you read the hundreds of NDEs experiences you will not find anyone that follow my yoga.
Why should they?
The old saying goes.........THE WAYS TO GOD ARE INFINITE.......

We are all different yog.
What is good and practical for me may not be good for you.
My mantra is not going to work for you and yours wouldn't be good for me.
Beside is all about exhausting the karma and helping the suffering humanity and that can be done without
yoga even if yoga is the most practical method of all.  

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I beg your pardon.  
YOU are the one who allege that illusion last therefore YOUare the one who got to prove that illusion last.
Beside even a demented idiot know that illusion do not last.  

Your memory is getting worse by the day yog.  
Didn't I asked you to give evidence that that OBE was real and not an illusion?
Once you provide evidence that that is real then I will answer you.  

Yeah, dodging the question once again.  You're pathetic.  "Evidence that the OBE is real"  Haha.  What a joke.

Fail once again yog.  
First you behave like a dick that suppose to know everything then when I asked you to give evidence that you are correct you just say.......You're too stupid for words......
What a disaster yog.  

I said you're too stupid for words because only an idiot would believe such a tall tale.  And that's the truth.  You're just a gullible twat.

FOOL.     


I never said that OBEs experiences are not real.
I instead said that if you think that that particular so called OBE is real then you should provide evidence
in that regard.  

Got it yog?  

[Angrboda]

Since Howard Storm was never near death, he didn't have an NDE.

That is bizarre yog.  

http://ndestories.org/howard-storm/

All reports that I have read say that Storm did die and had an NDE.
Can you please show me the report that say otherwise.  

Of note, Storm concedes that there is no medical evidence to suggest that he ever actually died. He did go on to have a completely successful surgery that evening and healed rapidly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Storm_(author)

[Crossless2.0]

That is bizarre yog.  

http://ndestories.org/howard-storm/

All reports that I have read say that Storm did die and had an NDE.
Can you please show me the report that say otherwise.  

Of note, Storm concedes that there is no medical evidence to suggest that he ever actually died. He did go on to have a completely successful surgery that evening and healed rapidly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Storm_(author)

Game. Set. Match.

Of course, Rik will continue hitting the ball into the net while insisting he's winning Wimbledon.

[Angrboda]

Besides, you don't take Howard Storm's account at face value either.  He imagined hell which you consider to be an illusory aspect of any NDE

There is no such a thing as a physical hell.
How could you feel the fire burning if you don't have a body?
The hell is all about a lack of God.
It is a mental suffering and it is not permanent.
As soon as people wake up and grow up the hell vanish like the clouds vanish as the sun and the winds blow them away.  

So the parts that you don't agree with about his NDE are just illusory, the other parts are real. Got it.

[Cyberman]

And what's even sadder is that he dismisses the mundane parts while creaming his frilly knickers over the exciting magic bits. Babyish.

[Little Rik]

That is bizarre yog.  

http://ndestories.org/howard-storm/

All reports that I have read say that Storm did die and had an NDE.
Can you please show me the report that say otherwise.  

Of note, Storm concedes that there is no medical evidence to suggest that he ever actually died. He did go on to have a completely successful surgery that evening and healed rapidly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Storm_(author)

Wrong once again yog.      

Read the article properly.
It say................he had a sudden onset of severe abdominal pain. He was evaluated at a Paris hospital and diagnosed with a duodenal perforation, which required surgery. The soonest a surgeon could perform this procedure was around 9:00 p.m. that day..............

Storm had to wait 9-10 hours before surgery.
During that time he must have felt the pain of hell so to speak because a duodenal perforation cause the pain of hell.

Well well now look at this one.

As he lay waiting for surgery, he believed he was going to die due to the severity of his pain and so mentally prepared himself for death. After saying goodbye to his wife, he eventually passed out.

Storm reports the following subconscious experience: He opened his eyes and found himself standing outside of his body, looking down at the hospital bed with his wife crying beside him. He was without pain and hypersensitive.

So as soon as he passed out the pain is gone.
That yog is not possible UNLESS the chap die.
The pain will not go away unless the surgery take place but Storm didn't have the surgery yet.
That clearly means that he had a NDE and by having an NDE the pain is gone because the consciousness leave the body which it means that he really die.