A rational explanation for hell?

[fr0d0]

Think it's the other way round mate.

Just going on the evidence provided Ace!

[Epimethean]

The evidence is the fact that god is a fictional character invented by a group of people who feared death and who was soon co-opted by a sub-group who realized that some poor bastards feared death so much that they could be led around by the literary nose.

So, the reality is that a fictional being was created by people so long dead that all a reasonable person can do is hate their legacy in the person of the piece of shit deity they left behind when they kicked off, and feel sorry for the poor shitheads who still cling to the antiquated notion that the sky wizard will come back to make them feel good about being useless in the here and now.

[C Rod]

C Rod,

Your argument basically seems to boil down to the fact that since no who is dead has come back and told you there is no afterlife, you will hold onto the possibility that it exists. What if I told you that since no one has been to the surface of the sun, that I will hold onto the possibility that a man lives on the surface? The rational response to that would be that belief is irrational because it subverts the laws of nature as we understand them. Since the surface of the sun could not be personally observed, should I refuse to let go of my belief that someone lives on it? No, because it defies everything we know and understand.

The concept of an afterlife is a man living on the sun. You will never personally observe the contrary, but that is no reason to still believe in it.

Yes but what is this man on the surface of the sun to me. If you shall say he is up there what is my doubt to my belief or to my knowledge. Truly is the importance of said man and said belief and if there is more about said man and his belief, may i know of what is known of him. You are comparing two things in which one claims great importance through belief and faith and one which is pointless until you tell me otherwise. The bible was before you were and this man, will you just made this claim right now.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes but what is this man on the surface of the sun to me. If you shall say he is up there what is my doubt to my belief or to my knowledge. Truly is the importance of said man and said belief and if there is more about said man and his belief, may i know of what is known of him. You are comparing two things in which one claims great importance through belief and faith and one which is pointless until you tell me otherwise. The bible was before you were and this man, will you just made this claim right now.

no, no you get two

[C Rod]

Yes but what is this man on the surface of the sun to me. If you shall say he is up there what is my doubt to my belief or to my knowledge. Truly is the importance of said man and said belief and if there is more about said man and his belief, may i know of what is known of him. You are comparing two things in which one claims great importance through belief and faith and one which is pointless until you tell me otherwise. The bible was before you were and this man, will you just made this claim right now.

no, no you get two

its funny cause its true

[The Grand Nudger]

I think you need a better translator. I think the ideas you are trying to communicate must be getting butchered in translation.

(edited for ease of translation)

[Faith No More]

Yes but what is this man on the surface of the sun to me. If you shall say he is up there what is my doubt to my belief or to my knowledge. Truly is the importance of said man and said belief and if there is more about said man and his belief, may i know of what is known of him. You are comparing two things in which one claims great importance through belief and faith and one which is pointless until you tell me otherwise. The bible was before you were and this man, will you just made this claim right now.

Umm...what?

[C Rod]

Yes but what is this man on the surface of the sun to me. If you shall say he is up there what is my doubt to my belief or to my knowledge. Truly is the importance of said man and said belief and if there is more about said man and his belief, may i know of what is known of him. You are comparing two things in which one claims great importance through belief and faith and one which is pointless until you tell me otherwise. The bible was before you were and this man, will you just made this claim right now.

Umm...what?

The last part should say ",well" not ",will". I am grasping at a truth of reality and importance. I think when talking about importance or known reality, analogies are just an easy dodge to persuade any real consideration.

[Faith No More]

The last part should say ",well" not ",will". I am grasping at a truth of reality and importance. I think when talking about importance or known reality, analogies are just an easy dodge to persuade any real consideration.

Actually, analogies are a very good tool to explain something in an understandable way, which is why great literature is filled with them.

From what I can tell from your answer, you are basically saying the afterlife gives you hope, which is why it is important to you. I, however, was making the point that it's better to base your beliefs on reality and not on something that is fantasy but makes you feel well. At first glimpse, life can appear to be harsh and cold without things such as god and the afterlife, but they don't have to be.

[Cinjin]

From what I can tell from your answer, you are basically saying the afterlife gives you hope, which is why it is important to you. I, however, was making the point that it's better to base your beliefs on reality and not on something that is fantasy but makes you feel well. At first glimpse, life can appear to be harsh and cold without things such as god and the afterlife, but they don't have to be.

True.

One could even argue that the harshness and coldness and the limitations of life only add to the immense brutal beauty of it all.