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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 12:01 pm
(February 9, 2017 at 11:43 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I'll take the gun to the head option in that case. So, military service for you, then? 
Quote:I don't like being forced into anything. Sounds kinda rapey.
YOLO and life is crappy enough even when it's going how I want it to.
There are always exemptions and provisions. Reduced or secondary access (relative to those who serve) for example, to federal services and assistance.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 12:03 pm
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Anything forced sounds not only retarded and immoral... but also rather right-wing. Which is kinda the same thing.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 12:07 pm
Yeah...I just don't think it's the government's job to force people to work, in any area. And what happens if someone just refuses? Fines? Jail? That sounds rather ludicrous.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 12:09 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2017 at 12:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
-or....reduced or no access to services and assistance afforded to those who do...just like we have now.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 12:10 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2017 at 12:10 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
...we don't have government-forced work now. (Prisons notwithstanding, which is another can of worms)
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 12:11 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2017 at 12:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You realize that you're not responding to what I said, right? I have access to things that americans who did not serve do not have access to. Perhaps that's what would happen if someone opted out. Not fines, not jail.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 12:13 pm
I'm having trouble discerning your point. You're in support of government-forced work, and the penalties for those that refuse are...?
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 12:26 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2017 at 12:28 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The same as the "penalties" for those who don't serve now..in a country where those benefits currently conferred are conferred to all but those who opt out for whatever reason.
Want to be a part of a nationalized health service? Serve.
Want reduced rate and preferential home loans? Serve
Want preferential hiring treatment? Serve.
Want college tuition? Serve.
etc.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 12:29 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2017 at 12:32 pm by FatAndFaithless.)
(February 9, 2017 at 12:26 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The same as the "penalties" for those who don't serve now..in a country where those benefits currently conferred are conferred to all but those who opt out for whatever reason.
I'm still not sure what this means... Can you be a little more specific? I'm having a hard time understanding what that statement is trying to say.
EDIT: ah you added specifics, okay.
The purpose of a nationalized health service is that it's for everyone, regardless of them serving or not...but besides that, yeah those are benefits are some of the ones that veterans get. But that's not 'compulsory gov't service' then. That's just getting benefits from a voluntary service.
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RE: National Service
February 9, 2017 at 12:31 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2017 at 12:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You understand that I, as a vet, have access to things that others do not, and preferential treatment where others do not? What if that were the norm - even for civil service (and civil service in a sector of one's own choosing - just as now with the armed forces)? The penalty for opting out, would be that you were opting out of those things.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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