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RE: Do You Ever Miss God?
February 13, 2017 at 3:26 pm
(February 13, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Stimbo Wrote: If I miss "God", I shall just have to improve my aim. caveat to myself: Before reading Stimbo's posts, I should remember to empty my bladder. Laughing can lead to accidents.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: Do You Ever Miss God?
February 13, 2017 at 3:52 pm
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For me to miss it we would first have to have known each other
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RE: Do You Ever Miss God?
February 13, 2017 at 4:14 pm
The only times Ive ever missed God was when I was looking for the bastard. Nowhere to be found ...
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RE: Do You Ever Miss God?
February 13, 2017 at 4:38 pm
(February 13, 2017 at 10:29 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: For those of you who have a history in a particular religion and moved away from it, I mean do you ever miss the feeling of believing you had a personal relationship with god?
A few weeks ago, to my surprise, I went through a period of nostalgia. I shouldn’t have been surprised. Twenty-five years of indoctrination and programing in fear and guilt, joy and gratitude don’t just go away just because I realize intellectually that Christianity isn’t true.
If I shared those feelings and the dreams I used to have of being left in the rapture with a Christian, they will have an explanation for it. This is why indoctrination is so important in religion. We’re programmed with the strongest emotions and religionists know the feelings won’t go away—not permanently. All it takes is a trigger, a song, a memory. Then the Christians can say aha, in your heart of hearts you know god exists. And if I don’t know better, I’ll have to believe their interpretation of what I feel.
But I do know better and I resent being played with. To program me to believe something and then use that programming as proof of my belief is disingenuous. Of course, now they can interpret my resentment as proof that I hate god.
Ever find it hard to hate something that does not exist? Or is that just an 'atheist punishment' something you 'good people' do to punish God?
Did you know not all Christians will be raptured? their will be a remnant left to help people like you (people who know better but are pouting and 'hating a non existent God') to help find your way home...
...Or maybe it is you fence sitters who will become the remnant. Eitherway It's ok to hate God (for now anyways) He knows you do. Yet Grace abounds (your allowed to hate God for the moment, as this is apart of any real growth period.)
All I'm saying is it will be a whole hellva lot easier to resolve this anger and work things out now, when you have access to people with a 'better' understanding of God, then after the 'event of your indoctrination' will come, and you are given the task of being among the remnant.
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RE: Do You Ever Miss God?
February 13, 2017 at 4:59 pm
(February 13, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: The only times Ive ever missed God was when I was looking for the bastard. Nowhere to be found ... Seek and ye shall find. Well, I certainly won't miss al the church's explanations for why things don't happen irl the way the bible says they do.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
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RE: Do You Ever Miss God?
February 13, 2017 at 4:59 pm
Not for a moment. The thought of ending up like a Dripshit-style jackass keeps me in line!
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RE: Do You Ever Miss God?
February 13, 2017 at 5:12 pm
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(February 13, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Drich Wrote: Ever find it hard to hate something that does not exist? Or is that just an 'atheist punishment' something you 'good people' do to punish God?
Did you know not all Christians will be raptured? their will be a remnant left to help people like you (people who know better but are pouting and 'hating a non existent God') to help find your way home...
...Or maybe it is you fence sitters who will become the remnant. Eitherway It's ok to hate God (for now anyways) He knows you do. Yet Grace abounds (your allowed to hate God for the moment, as this is apart of any real growth period.)
All I'm saying is it will be a whole hellva lot easier to resolve this anger and work things out now, when you have access to people with a 'better' understanding of God, then after the 'event of your indoctrination' will come, and you are given the task of being among the remnant.
I don't hate God ... but the pricks who can't seem to shut the fuck up about him sure get on my nerves.
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RE: Do You Ever Miss God?
February 13, 2017 at 5:24 pm
Hmm. No. I have occasionally missed the fantasy that someday, my Grandparents and parents will be waiting for me with open arms. Long-lost pets will come bounding up to me.
I have often said that the loss of my faith felt like burning down my childhood home. It was falling to pieces around me, crawling with all sorts of poisonous things, and dripping with black mold, but hey, it was home for a long time. But then you look at the empty space and get to build something healthy in its place.
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RE: Do You Ever Miss God?
February 13, 2017 at 5:44 pm
(February 13, 2017 at 10:29 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: For those of you who have a history in a particular religion and moved away from it, I mean do you ever miss the feeling of believing you had a personal relationship with god?
A few weeks ago, to my surprise, I went through a period of nostalgia. I shouldn’t have been surprised. Twenty-five years of indoctrination and programing in fear and guilt, joy and gratitude don’t just go away just because I realize intellectually that Christianity isn’t true.
If I shared those feelings and the dreams I used to have of being left in the rapture with a Christian, they will have an explanation for it. This is why indoctrination is so important in religion. We’re programmed with the strongest emotions and religionists know the feelings won’t go away—not permanently. All it takes is a trigger, a song, a memory. Then the Christians can say aha, in your heart of hearts you know god exists. And if I don’t know better, I’ll have to believe their interpretation of what I feel.
But I do know better and I resent being played with. To program me to believe something and then use that programming as proof of my belief is disingenuous. Of course, now they can interpret my resentment as proof that I hate god.
Absolutely not. In fact I never really felt that god was there. No matter how hard I prayed or how much I would sit up at night trying to 'feel god' (which I did do several times as a child) I never really felt that any god was there. Deep down I'm not sure if I ever really believed in god, so there's not much for me to miss. I do, at times, find myself trying to justify some of the things Christians say to defend their position, but I normally can't bring myself to do it. There's just no world where any of that stuff makes sense to me.
If you were a Christian for 25 years there is no wonder you still deal with these feelings at times. It's like if you were a drinker for 25 years then stopped... occasionally thoughts of ordering yourself a martini are going to pop up.
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It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
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RE: Do You Ever Miss God?
February 13, 2017 at 5:53 pm
(February 13, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Drich Wrote: Ever find it hard to hate something that does not exist? Or is that just an 'atheist punishment' something you 'good people' do to punish God?
Did you know not all Christians will be raptured? their will be a remnant left to help people like you (people who know better but are pouting and 'hating a non existent God') to help find your way home...
...Or maybe it is you fence sitters who will become the remnant. Eitherway It's ok to hate God (for now anyways) He knows you do. Yet Grace abounds (your allowed to hate God for the moment, as this is apart of any real growth period.)
All I'm saying is it will be a whole hellva lot easier to resolve this anger and work things out now, when you have access to people with a 'better' understanding of God, then after the 'event of your indoctrination' will come, and you are given the task of being among the remnant.
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