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RE: What would you call my new beliefs?
March 4, 2017 at 2:49 pm
(March 4, 2017 at 2:46 pm)TheAtheologian Wrote: So, it seems you agree that space-time exists, but in socially constructed mathematical relationships. It doesn't seem like you are being inconsistent with the KCA then, just that space and time are dependent upon the first event and all of those arising afterwards.
Quite. Which is what makes this whole objection to the idea of dimensions so bizarre.
It doesn't actually help his argument any even if it is granted that time doesn't "really exist", whatever that means. It still comes down to bare assertion, and there is absolutely no reason to accept the argument as true.
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RE: What would you call my new beliefs?
March 4, 2017 at 3:25 pm
(March 4, 2017 at 2:49 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: (March 4, 2017 at 2:46 pm)TheAtheologian Wrote: So, it seems you agree that space-time exists, but in socially constructed mathematical relationships. It doesn't seem like you are being inconsistent with the KCA then, just that space and time are dependent upon the first event and all of those arising afterwards.
Quite. Which is what makes this whole objection to the idea of dimensions so bizarre.
It doesn't actually help his argument any even if it is granted that time doesn't "really exist", whatever that means. It still comes down to bare assertion, and there is absolutely no reason to accept the argument as true.
I see it as a different perspective on the nature of time and space. Part of the Kalam Cosmological Argument is devoted to determining that the cause of the universe (supposing the two main premises on a cause for existence and beginning of the universe are true) must transcend space and time. Dimensions are automatically assumed from this ontological analysis of the properties of this cause.
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RE: What would you call my new beliefs?
March 4, 2017 at 4:05 pm
(March 4, 2017 at 3:25 pm)TheAtheologian Wrote: Part of the Kalam Cosmological Argument is devoted to determining that the cause of the universe (supposing the two main premises on a cause for existence and beginning of the universe are true) must transcend space and time.
And that is exactly my point. There is no reason to assume that these premises are true. It is bare assertion on its face.
All this nonsense about trying to deny that time is a dimension is just pointless waffle. I only keep it up because it's pretty entertaining to watch him keep quoting things that agree with me and pretend that they don't.
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RE: What would you call my new beliefs?
March 4, 2017 at 4:33 pm
(March 4, 2017 at 4:05 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: (March 4, 2017 at 3:25 pm)TheAtheologian Wrote: Part of the Kalam Cosmological Argument is devoted to determining that the cause of the universe (supposing the two main premises on a cause for existence and beginning of the universe are true) must transcend space and time.
And that is exactly my point. There is no reason to assume that these premises are true. It is bare assertion on its face.
All this nonsense about trying to deny that time is a dimension is just pointless waffle. I only keep it up because it's pretty entertaining to watch him keep quoting things that agree with me and pretend that they don't.
Pretty much, there is no reason to believe it is true besides just accepting it at face value.
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RE: What would you call my new beliefs?
March 4, 2017 at 6:50 pm
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(March 4, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: Time is the fourth, the dimension in which changes in the previous three occur in sequence.
I would argue that time is the first, or perhaps more accurately the zeroth, dimension, underpinning the 'higher' ones. Otherwise there would be no time for events to happen in them.
Inasmuch as it makes sense to order dimensions anyway.
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RE: What would you call my new beliefs?
March 4, 2017 at 9:41 pm
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RE: What would you call my new beliefs?
March 6, 2017 at 9:27 am
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RE: What would you call my new beliefs?
March 6, 2017 at 2:22 pm
(March 6, 2017 at 9:27 am)SteveII Wrote: Sorry you don't get it.
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