This Is What You're Up Against With Drumpfucks

[Minimalist]

You know what is simply mind-boggling?  That these clowns, for all their ties to big business, do not have the slightest understanding how insurance works.  I can understand the idiot cited in the OP but these jackoffs are supposed to be lawmakers.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I think the larger issue is that they don't understand how poor people think. The idea (as I understand it, I may be wrong) is that you don't require the poor to buy insurance, but you give them money in the form of a credit on their taxes, and hope they'll use the money to buy health insurance.

Sorry, but that's just bats. The poor almost always have needs that are more immediate than a health plan - little things like diapers, food, making this month's rent, keeping the car going so they can get to their job, and so on. This plan is like the West's response to the series of Soviet famines: send them seed grain so they can grow their own wheat and corn. The trouble is, when you give starving people grain, they don't plant it, they eat it.

Boru

[Autumnlicious]

The trouble is, when you give starving people grain, they don't plant it, they eat it.

After they eat it, they starve and blame you despite they ate all the fucking grain.

[Brian37]

Hate to be a killjoy (not really) but can unemployed people afford $88/mo ?

Shouldn't health insurance be added to unemployment compensation.  Added to strike pay for union people too.

Unemployed people are not real humans you know. They are just dead weight.

[Autumnlicious]

After cutting Meals on Wheels for the elderly and disabled veterans, perhaps the above is exactly what the Trump administration believes in.

[vorlon13]

Hate to be a killjoy (not really) but can unemployed people afford $88/mo ?

Shouldn't health insurance be added to unemployment compensation.  Added to strike pay for union people too.

Unemployed people are not real humans you know. They are just dead weight.

I was on unemployment twice back in the 80s.  It paid the rent and that was about it.

One of the times was during Reagan era and IIRC congress overrode a veto to extend benefits.  Or maybe it was the governor and state legislature?  Idunno . . .

[Minimalist]

The idea (as I understand it, I may be wrong) is that you don't require the poor to buy insurance, but you give them money in the form of a credit on their taxes, and hope they'll use the money to buy health insurance.

The trouble is they aren't giving them enough of a credit to buy much of anything resembling health insurance.  To which the republicunts say "Fuck Off, Get Richer."

[Brian37]

Unemployed people are not real humans you know. They are just dead weight.

I was on unemployment twice back in the 80s.  It paid the rent and that was about it.

One of the times was during Reagan era and IIRC congress overrode a veto to extend benefits.  Or maybe it was the governor and state legislature?  Idunno . . .

If you left food stamps up to the GOP well,........ "die quickly" just like health care.

[Tiberius]

I think the larger issue is that they don't understand how poor people think. The idea (as I understand it, I may be wrong) is that you don't require the poor to buy insurance, but you give them money in the form of a credit on their taxes, and hope they'll use the money to buy health insurance.

Sorry, but that's just bats. The poor almost always have needs that are more immediate than a health plan - little things like diapers, food, making this month's rent, keeping the car going so they can get to their job, and so on. This plan is like the West's response to the series of Soviet famines: send them seed grain so they can grow their own wheat and corn. The trouble is, when you give starving people grain, they don't plant it, they eat it.

Boru

It's worse than that. The tax credits are only available if you buy health insurance, so you don't get them if you don't have insurance. That makes sense, but of course you only get tax credits when you file taxes. So they are expecting poor people to go into more debt paying for premiums, which they only get the money to pay for the next year. The tax credits won't be enough to pay for the premiums either.

[Minimalist]

One more thing, Divi Tiberio.   Remember what Mitt Romney said about the 47% who don't pay taxes anyway.  Tax credits do them no good at all unless somewhere deep in the small print of the bill they are "refundable" tax credits.  Even if that were enacted as you say, people have to lay out the full cost of their insurance coverage and then get back a max of $4,000.  That is unsustainable.