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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
March 28, 2017 at 12:07 pm
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I think he is a waste of the IQ level in mere cunning and eloquence. Has high IQ but has no wisdom and hence is stupid in that sense.
(March 28, 2017 at 11:21 am)Minimalist Wrote: (March 27, 2017 at 11:12 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: And I wasn't even here to defend myself!
Oh, Dawkins!
Many of his writings are very good and there's no denying that he kicks the arses of creationists he encounters.
As to the man himself, I'm not really all that much of a fan.
How does a highly intelligent person not talk down to people who believe in silly fairy tales?
By having something called "virtue" and "manners".
Fairy tales that are believed as religions are at least answers by people to essential questions.
If you go to an exam and write nothing, it's a lot worse then having answers that are partially right and partially wrong.
No religion is totally false in all it's entirety as far as I know. Atheism may not be false as simply non-belief, but it's a whole worse then partially wrong and right answers, hence it's even worse then total wrong answer.
At least people believing in fairy tales attempted to answer essential questions.
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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
March 28, 2017 at 12:14 pm
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(March 28, 2017 at 12:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think he is a waste of the IQ level in mere cunning and eloquence. Has high IQ but has no wisdom and hence is stupid in that sense.
I don't even know what this means.
In response to the OP, Dawkins is a great scientist, debater, and science communicator who I think needs to think a bit more about social/cultural issues before tweeting about them.
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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
March 28, 2017 at 12:16 pm
(March 28, 2017 at 12:14 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 12:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think he is a waste of the IQ level in mere cunning and eloquence. Has high IQ but has no wisdom and hence is stupid in that sense.
I don't even know what this means.
Are you saying this for clarification or just asserting it can't possibly make sense?
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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
March 28, 2017 at 12:24 pm
Probably means that while he has a high IQ he isn't reaching the right conclusion and therefore must be stupid in the sense of disagreeing with MK.
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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
March 28, 2017 at 12:27 pm
(March 28, 2017 at 12:24 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Probably means that while he has a high IQ he isn't reaching the right conclusion and therefore must be stupid in the sense of disagreeing with MK.
He lives his life to promote falsehood, ungratefulness, and disconnection from God's mystic link, he is a waste of IQ.
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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
March 28, 2017 at 12:34 pm
(March 28, 2017 at 12:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 12:24 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Probably means that while he has a high IQ he isn't reaching the right conclusion and therefore must be stupid in the sense of disagreeing with MK.
He lives his life to promote falsehood, ungratefulness, and disconnection from God's mystic link, he is a waste of IQ.
What falsehood do you think he lives his life promoting?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
March 28, 2017 at 12:47 pm
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(March 28, 2017 at 12:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 12:24 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Probably means that while he has a high IQ he isn't reaching the right conclusion and therefore must be stupid in the sense of disagreeing with MK.
He lives his life to promote falsehood, ungratefulness, and disconnection from God's mystic link, he is a waste of IQ.
God can keep his mystic hands to himself, I don't want none of his 'link.'
Bolded mine. Glass houses and stones and all that.
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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
March 28, 2017 at 12:58 pm
(March 28, 2017 at 12:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think he is a waste of the IQ level in mere cunning and eloquence. Has high IQ but has no wisdom and hence is stupid in that sense.
(March 28, 2017 at 11:21 am)Minimalist Wrote: How does a highly intelligent person not talk down to people who believe in silly fairy tales?
By having something called "virtue" and "manners".
In my opinion, trying to rid people of their false beliefs, is a virtue.
Quote:Fairy tales that are believed as religions are at least answers by people to essential questions.
Several problems here.
There are good methods to arrive at answers to essential questions, and bad methods. Religions, all of them, are bad methods. The single best method ever discovered as a path to truth, is the scientific method.
Something is true whether it comes from a religious belief or not. The fact that religions may get some things correct, has nothing to do with the source being a religion.
Quote:If you go to an exam and write nothing, it's a lot worse then having answers that are partially right and partially wrong.
False analogy.
Quote:No religion is totally false in all it's entirety as far as I know. Atheism may not be false as simply non-belief, but it's a whole worse then partially wrong and right answers, hence it's even worse then total wrong answer.
All religions are false when it comes to any supernatural claim or story.
Having partially wrong answers is what moves knowledge forward. Partially wrong answers, that are understood to possibly partially wrong, are much better than religion's made up wrong answers, that are believed to be correct.
Quote:At least people believing in fairy tales attempted to answer essential questions.
Attempted, and failed.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
March 28, 2017 at 1:26 pm
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(March 28, 2017 at 12:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I think he is a waste of the IQ level in mere cunning and eloquence. Has high IQ but has no wisdom and hence is stupid in that sense.
(March 28, 2017 at 11:21 am)Minimalist Wrote: How does a highly intelligent person not talk down to people who believe in silly fairy tales?
By having something called "virtue" and "manners".
Fairy tales that are believed as religions are at least answers by people to essential questions.
If you go to an exam and write nothing, it's a lot worse then having answers that are partially right and partially wrong.
No religion is totally false in all it's entirety as far as I know. Atheism may not be false as simply non-belief, but it's a whole worse then partially wrong and right answers, hence it's even worse then total wrong answer.
At least people believing in fairy tales attempted to answer essential questions.
Well, we know what you judgement is worth.
So, ANY answer is better than saying "I don't know"? That isn't an attempt to answer anything; it's an emotional pacifier for people to suck on. Why it's so scary to not know the answer to something is beyond me. There may not even BE answers to such "essential" questions. But hiding behind feel-good fairy tales is throwing away your integrity.
(March 28, 2017 at 12:16 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (March 28, 2017 at 12:14 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I don't even know what this means.
Are you saying this for clarification or just asserting it can't possibly make sense?
Or that YOU can't make sense.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
March 28, 2017 at 1:50 pm
(March 28, 2017 at 12:58 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: In my opinion, trying to rid people of their false beliefs, is a virtue.
I don't think ridding people of belief is a realistic goal. Unless an afterlife actually exists and we discover it people are always going to fear death and want some answer to it. Ridding it of the beliefs that are harmful like genital mutilation and killing gays is the real focus. Even then open respecful dialogue is important to a dress why those beliefs are wrong. Talking down to them like children doesn't work, because unlike children they don't have to listen to you.
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