Why them and not you?

[Mister Agenda]

You don't believe Theists when they testify they know God exists. I understand that and you shouldn't simply believe due to their testification.

But why should Theists take seriously that you actually are justified in not believing in God? Why should we not believe it's the fault of yours and not God's or anyone else?

Why should we take your testification that you sincerely sought to know whether God exists or not seriously?

Because we take you seriously about what you're saying and just point out that there are alternative explanations for what you've experienced.

You're calling us liars to our faces and presuming that you know our history and motivations better than we do. Assholes.

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Because the existence of God is a positive existence claim. Substitute God for "invisible unicorn in my garage", maybe you get it then.

By the way, if most of the world claim to see an invisible unicorn in a garage, I would be prone to investigate their claim and not dismiss it.

The mere fact that they claim to see something invisible is a contradiction that would show that most of the world is spouting nonsense. Is the invisible unicorn also pink?

[Astreja]

You're calling us liars to our faces and presuming that you know our history and motivations better than we do. Assholes.

I can't respect someone who tells lies about me.

At all.

Neither can I wish them well in their life endeavours.  I am singularly vengeful in this particular regard -- I now want MK to fail, fail miserably in everything he does, to be reduced to penury and utter fucking despair until such time as he smartens the fuck up, cleans up his act, and apologizes unreservedly for what he's said to us.

Is the invisible unicorn also pink?

I have faith that She is pink.  May Her holy hooves never be shod!

[Faith No More]

In my experience,

Atheists haven't deeply thought of the following:

1. What makes us who we are
2. What is the mysterious nature of love.
3. What is the language of love
4. What is to be truly valued and have worth.
5. What is free-will
6. What is perception
7. What is justice
8. Most philosophical arguments that assert to prove God haven't been given their due.
9. What is that we appreciate and praise
10. What is reason
11. What is goodness
12. Most of all, what is love.

These questions are essential to humanity.

Religion wise and their hostility towards religion:

1. Emphasize on differences without seeing the underlying mysterious unity of religions in the essential teachings and doctrines of what makes us human.
2. Leadership and the underlying agreement of religions on the characteristics of those worthy of leading us to God.
3. Haven't thought really what the Creator is capable of in proving his religion through literature.
4. Haven't thought of the need to have a rope from God and handhold to hold on to with all the confusing mess of diverging paths and thoughts

And I think a lot of religions have come with an agreement to much of these questions and are agreement that eternal divine being is the source of light.

Oh, fuck off. Your presumptuousness has gotten beyond absurd, and now you're just being an insufferable, arrogant prick. I mean, you just posted this on an internet site where there are literally dozens of examples of atheists thinking deeply about those subjects.

If you want to bury your head all the way up your ass, that's your prerogative, but can you at least give us the courtesy of not running around screaming at everyone to take a look?

[Ben Davis]

MK, I'm not going to let this type of insult stand. How dare you stereotype and straw-man me. If you want to know why I'm an atheist, you ask me. If you want to know what I've thought about, you ask me. Don't go off on flights of fancy in order to make yourself feel better about your ever decreasing defense of your obviously false and easily questionable beliefs.

Just so we're clear, I'm going to answer your questions, once and once only, giving them the contempt they deserve. You can then either drop your stereotype or forever be branded as a liar for perpetuating it.

In my experience,

Well, aren't you the almighty knower of all knowing. We must prostrate ourselves before your all-encompassing experience.

1. What makes us who we are

'I', my personality, am a product of genetic traits from my ancestors and socio-cultural immersion.

2. What is the mysterious nature of love.

It's not mysterious at all. It's a neuro-chemical reaction. Neurologists understand almost all of the triggers and psychologists can explain much of the emergent sociology (why we fancy specific individuals)

3. What is the language of love

Aaaaand it's non-sequitur time again.

4. What is to be truly valued and have worth.

Entirely subjective.

5. What is free-will

Possibly an illusion created by our brain to layer neural meta-function over synapse response. We're not sure yet.

6. What is perception

Do you need me to buy you a dictionary?

Perception
pəˈsɛpʃ(ə)n
noun
1. the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.
"the normal limits to human perception"

2. the way in which something is regarded, understood, or interpreted.
"Hollywood's perception of the tastes of the American public"

7. What is justice

CM Punk losing in UFC.

8. Most philosophical arguments that assert to prove God haven't been given their due.

The fact that you would even suggest this tells me you've not been paying attention to any of the discussions you've ever had on this board. I know for a fact that others have referred you to refutations from many philosophers and critical thinkers and even talked you through them themselves.

9. What is that we appreciate and praise

That's entirely subjective. There are socio-cultural trends but there's huge amounts of variation even within those.

10. What is reason

Dictionary time again...

11. What is goodness

Once again, an entirely subjective, ethical position; socio-cultural trends... etc...

12. Most of all, what is love.

See 2.

These questions are essential to humanity.

Are they? More essential that, I don't know... equitable food distribution? Housing? Healthcare? Human rights?

Religion wise and their hostility towards religion:

Oh, so all atheists are hostile are they? What of the apatheists? Seriously, this is more straw-manning and stereotyping.

1. Emphasize on differences without seeing the underlying mysterious unity of religions in the essential teachings and doctrines of what makes us human.

Nonsense. Almost all religions are mutually exclusive.

2. Leadership and the underlying agreement of religions on the characteristics of those worthy of leading us to God.

The only thing that most religions seem to agree on is eliminating the 'unbelievers' in a variety of inventive ways. It doesn't matter if they're atheists or members of other religions, either.

3. Haven't thought really what the Creator is capable of in proving his religion through literature.

You assume the existence of a creator. Until someone can provide robust evidence that one exists, there's no reason to think one does. I'll paraphrase Matt Dillahunty in regard to your point on literature. Assuming there is a god, a maximally powerful and knowledgeable one, it would be stupid to rely on something as transient and faulty as text in order to spread its message.

4. Haven't thought of the need to have a rope from God and handhold to hold on to with all the confusing mess of diverging paths and thoughts

Once again, here you are assuming you know what people are thinking or the experiences they've been through. You could not be more disingenuous right now.

And I think a lot of religions have come with an agreement to much of these questions and are agreement that eternal divine being is the source of light.

No they haven't and the number of religiously inspired wars in our history, payed for by the lives of our ancestors, are direct testament to that.

[Amarok]

https://atheistforums.org/post-1532496.h...d1532496By the way, if most of the world claim to see an invisible unicorn in a garage, I would be prone to investigate their claim and not dismiss it.

it's your time to waste and your lack of standards to own

In my experience,
Atheists haven't deeply thought of the following:
1. What makes us who we are
2. What is the mysterious nature of love.
3. What is the language of love
4. What is to be truly valued and have worth.
5. What is free-will
6. What is perception
7. What is justice
8. Most philosophical arguments that assert to prove God haven't been given their due.
9. What is that we appreciate and praise
10. What is reason
11. What is goodness
12. Most of all, what is love.
These questions are essential to humanity.
Religion wise and their hostility towards religion:
1. Emphasize on differences without seeing the underlying mysterious unity of religions in the essential teachings and doctrines of what makes us human.
2. Leadership and the underlying agreement of religions on the characteristics of those worthy of leading us to God.
3. Haven't thought really what the Creator is capable of in proving his religion through literature.
4. Haven't thought of the need to have a rope from God and handhold to hold on to with all the confusing mess of diverging paths and thoughts
And I think a lot of religions have come with an agreement to much of these questions and are agreement that eternal divine being is the source of light.
You don't believe Theists when they testify they know God exists. I understand that and you shouldn't simply believe due to their testification.
But why should Theists take seriously that you actually are justified in not believing in God? Why should we not believe it's the fault of yours and not God's or anyone else?

No one cares about you biased experience. As for those questions I suggest looking up the percentage of professional philosophers who don't accept the existence of god . Further  more most of these questions are irrelevant or have any relevance if you already assume theism. The other half is not solved by invoking pixie dust and never will be .

But why should Theists take seriously that you actually are justified in not believing in God? Why should we not believe it's the fault of yours and not God's or anyone else?

I honestly don't care what they think . Reason is the only justification I need not the opinion of mystics and there complete failure . But I can see why you want to dodge the burden of proof because you know you'll come up short with ACTUAL justifications.  So you must try and switch the burden. FYI you'll say the following no matter what after an escape hatch is all you have.

[ohreally]

You don't believe Theists when they testify they know God exists. I understand that and you shouldn't simply believe due to their testification.

But why should Theists take seriously that you actually are justified in not believing in God? Why should we not believe it's the fault of yours and not God's or anyone else?

Why should we take your testification that you sincerely sought to know whether God exists or not seriously?

I have no testimony.  We never have to have a conversation about gods if you stop talking about it.  Life would go on as usual.