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RE: A simple question for theists
April 4, 2017 at 11:08 am
(April 4, 2017 at 9:52 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (April 4, 2017 at 7:37 am)Brian37 Wrote: This is the problem with every religion, you cant even get members to agree how to view the writings....Both you and CL cant agree on interpretation, just like our two Muslims here Mystic Night and Atlas cant agree on how to interpret the Koran. How is it you think you are not doing the same thing other religions are doing, having their internal conflicts about interpretation?
In all fields of knowledge there are broad areas of agreement and hotly contested areas of debate. That is true of biology, of archaeology, history, linguistics, economics,...the list is endless. For you to the single out religion merely demonstrates the shallowness of your thinking.
Except that only in religion do we see people with personal relationships with the perfect deity who knows everything, as well as a holy book with the very word of that deity telling people what they should be believing and doing.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
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RE: A simple question for theists
April 4, 2017 at 11:12 am
This is your own fear of being wrong talking. You got sold a club, well so what, most of the world's population get sold a club. It isn't that religious people cant be good or do good, THEY CAN. What we doubt as skeptics is where our species morality is really coming from.
I love my species evolutionary ability to be compassionate. I simply don't assign that good aspect of reality to ANY religion or holy writing. I assign that to our species INDIVIDUAL ability to value that good aspect of our species.
You cannot force religion out of existence, not any, but all of them teach tribalism to greater or lesser degrees and all of them as umbrella labels have multiple sub sects that all claim to be the correct interpretations of the core umbrella label.
No holy book or holy writing has the magic power of making an individual only do good. There is not one nation, friend or foe alike that does not have hospitals or prisons. What makes a human good is their own individual empathy as an individual, it is not coming from a super natural place.
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RE: A simple question for theists
April 4, 2017 at 11:23 am
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
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RE: A simple question for theists
April 4, 2017 at 11:51 am
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RE: A simple question for theists
April 4, 2017 at 12:15 pm
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RE: A simple question for theists
April 4, 2017 at 12:34 pm
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RE: A simple question for theists
April 4, 2017 at 12:42 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2017 at 12:47 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(April 4, 2017 at 12:34 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (April 4, 2017 at 12:15 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Yep... still doesn't address what he had said, but only the straw man in your head.
I'm only reading his responses because his density amuses me.
I am starting to wonder... is it a reading comprehension deficiency, a dodge, is it deliberate, or is Brian just special? I am curious now.
Unfortunately if he has any somewhat legitimate point, it will be lost, because of football, pancakes, motor oil.
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RE: A simple question for theists
April 4, 2017 at 1:48 pm
He's beating you two clowns like rented mules and you have your heads so far up your own asses that you can't see it!
Let me know if you find fucking jesus up there.
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RE: A simple question for theists
April 4, 2017 at 1:55 pm
(April 4, 2017 at 1:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: He's beating you two clowns like rented mules and you have your heads so far up your own asses that you can't see it!
Let me know if you find fucking jesus up there.
They are not used to someone cutting to the chase whom has played chess far longer. They don't like that I don't play their long winded dance.
It is the same no matter the religion.
"I am not like the others".
Me, "Yes you are."
If anyone of any label had anything they'd be at the patent office and win a Nobel Prize by now. (Wait for it...)
But as far as "beating them like rented mules". If you want to put it like that you can. They are still my fellow human beings, but sure, I do think they are full of it. I don't hate every single religious person as an individual though.
They won't find Jesus or Allah or Vishnu or Yahweh or Buddha.
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RE: A simple question for theists
April 4, 2017 at 1:56 pm
(April 3, 2017 at 1:51 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (April 3, 2017 at 1:14 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: The Amalekites
Mostly, biblical trash-talk. In later chapters the Amalekites still exist, so in the end not everyone was actually killed.
So the bible is unreliable then!
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