There is no doubt a god, the question is what is it?

[Mystic]

The argument I will summarize:

Worship means what is Valued Most.
We know Worship ought to be Sacred.
Without God, Worship is not sacred.

A brief proof of 2nd premise:

Without God, we ourselves become the central focus of value, and naturally feel ashamed of what woshiping ourselves.
We should not feel ashamed of what we value most.
We should feel ashamed of worshiping ourselves and petty things like wealth, prestige, sex, etc....

Therefore we know worship out to be sacred.

The conclusion we know God exists naturally follows.

But aside from that, even if you reject that, was has been proven right from the start, there is no such thing as Atheism by definition.

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What do you value the most Min? Whatever that is, that is a deity/god you have taken.

Wrong, dumbass.  Not everyone has your apparent desire to debase yourself to non-existent shit.

I value intelligence.  All you can seem to do is throw a pile of words on a page and convince yourself how great you are.

You're wrong.

Then you worship intelligence, I hope the intelligence you worship is not Dawkin's level, that would be pretty petty.

[Flavius]

The argument I will summarize:

Worship means what is Valued Most.
We know Worship ought to be Sacred.
Without God, Worship is not sacred.

A brief proof of 2nd premise:

Without God, we ourselves become the central focus of value, and naturally feel ashamed of what woshiping ourselves.
We should not feel ashamed of what we value most.
We should feel ashamed of worshiping ourselves and petty things like wealth, prestige, sex, etc....

Therefore we know worship out to be sacred.

The conclusion we know God exists naturally follows.

But aside from that, even if you reject that, was has been proven right from the start, there is no such thing as Atheism by definition.

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Wrong, dumbass.  Not everyone has your apparent desire to debase yourself to non-existent shit.

I value intelligence.  All you can seem to do is throw a pile of words on a page and convince yourself how great you are.

You're wrong.

Then you worship intelligence, I hope the intelligence you worship is not Dawkin's level, that would be pretty petty.

He doesn't 'worship' intelligence. Worshipping implies putting dedication towards a specific deity or has to be used in a religious context. He VALUES intelligence, which, by definition, is a important, useful and/or worthy characteristic one possess.

What is so wrong about believing in higher beings than us that we value more than ourselves by a high amount?

Everything.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The argument I will summarize:

Worship means what is Valued Most.
We know Worship ought to be Sacred.
Without God, Worship is not sacred.

A brief proof of 2nd premise:

Without God, we ourselves become the central focus of value, and naturally feel ashamed of what woshiping ourselves.
We should not feel ashamed of what we value most.
We should feel ashamed of worshiping ourselves and petty things like wealth, prestige, sex, etc....

Therefore we know worship out to be sacred.

The conclusion we know God exists naturally follows.

But aside from that, even if you reject that, was has been proven right from the start, there is no such thing as Atheism by definition.

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Wrong, dumbass.  Not everyone has your apparent desire to debase yourself to non-existent shit.

I value intelligence.  All you can seem to do is throw a pile of words on a page and convince yourself how great you are.

You're wrong.

Then you worship intelligence, I hope the intelligence you worship is not Dawkin's level, that would be pretty petty.

Special definitions at play, eh? Okay, "Mystic Knight" is another word for repressed sadomasochistic desires directed toward gerbils.

Now go have a ham sandwich and relax.

[Mystic]

The argument I will summarize:

Worship means what is Valued Most.
We know Worship ought to be Sacred.
Without God, Worship is not sacred.

A brief proof of 2nd premise:

Without God, we ourselves become the central focus of value, and naturally feel ashamed of what woshiping ourselves.
We should not feel ashamed of what we value most.
We should feel ashamed of worshiping ourselves and petty things like wealth, prestige, sex, etc....

Therefore we know worship out to be sacred.

The conclusion we know God exists naturally follows.

But aside from that, even if you reject that, was has been proven right from the start, there is no such thing as Atheism by definition.

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Then you worship intelligence, I hope the intelligence you worship is not Dawkin's level, that would be pretty petty.

Special definitions at play, eh? Okay, "Mystic Knight" is another word for repressed sadomasochistic desires directed toward gerbils.

Now go have a ham sandwich and relax.

It's the definition of how the Bible and Quran operates. You can't understand anything from those books, and what it talks about, if you don't understand we cannot but value something the most.  No matter how much we circularly try to define ourselves out of it or define religion. Religion is define with respect to worship, to say it's worship when coupled with religious value and devotion, is simply not how Quran or Bible discusses the issue, and they are right as that would be circular definition.

The way the issue is defined is something everyone very well understood, you are bound to value something very highly.  The mother of all idols is the false self (satanic inspired false you).

[The Valkyrie]

What is "god"?

Doubtful.

Therefore there's a doubt.

[Mystic]

The argument I will summarize:

Worship means what is Valued Most.
We know Worship ought to be Sacred.
Without God, Worship is not sacred.

A brief proof of 2nd premise:

Without God, we ourselves become the central focus of value, and naturally feel ashamed of what woshiping ourselves.
We should not feel ashamed of what we value most.
We should feel ashamed of worshiping ourselves and petty things like wealth, prestige, sex, etc....

Therefore we know worship out to be sacred.

The conclusion we know God exists naturally follows.

But aside from that, even if you reject that, was has been proven right from the start, there is no such thing as Atheism by definition.

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Then you worship intelligence, I hope the intelligence you worship is not Dawkin's level, that would be pretty petty.

He doesn't 'worship' intelligence. Worshipping implies putting dedication towards a specific deity or has to be used in a religious context. He VALUES intelligence, which, by definition, is a important, useful and/or worthy characteristic one possess.

Yet since his value of things are somewhat near on par with each other, and they are at a near level, they are all idols.  

What is valued most (or things valued very near that) are all gods/idols.

That is how Bible and Quran talk. And they talk accurately.

So to say religion is defined with respect to relationship and devotion to god(s) and to say god(s) are only defined in the context of religion is circular reasoning. You can't do that and people who done that for example the people who coined the word "Atheism" fell into that trap of circular reasoning.

So Atheism defined is use of circular reasoning.....while breaking down the word and it's origin in simplicity shows it's impossible to be an Atheist.

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What is "god"?

Doubtful.

Therefore there's a doubt.

You value something. Whatever is the highest degree of value you have is worship.

You either worship yourself or you don't.

If you don't, you should value something higher than you at much higher reverence and value.

The fact you guys can't admit this word shows how ashamed people at admitting it which proves the shame thing I said and that we only accept and are honored of worshiping the sacred.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Special definitions at play, eh? Okay, "Mystic Knight" is another word for repressed sadomasochistic desires directed toward gerbils.

Now go have a ham sandwich and relax.

It's the definition of how the Bible and Quran operates. You can't understand anything from those books, and what it talks about, if you don't understand we cannot but value something the most.  No matter how much we circularly try to define ourselves out of it or define religion. Religion is define with respect to worship, to say it's worship when coupled with religious value and devotion, is simply not how Quran or Bible discusses the issue, and they are right as that would be circular definition.

The way the issue is defined is something everyone very well understood, you are bound to value something very highly.  The mother of all idols is the false self (satanic inspired false you).

Fuck both of them. With your dick.

[Minimalist]

[The Valkyrie]

He doesn't 'worship' intelligence. Worshipping implies putting dedication towards a specific deity or has to be used in a religious context. He VALUES intelligence, which, by definition, is a important, useful and/or worthy characteristic one possess.

Yet since his value of things are somewhat near on par with each other, and they are at a near level, they are all idols.  

What is valued most (or things valued very near that) are all gods/idols.

That is how Bible and Quran talk. And they talk accurately.

So to say religion is defined with respect to relationship and devotion to god(s) and to say god(s) are only defined in the context of religion is circular reasoning. You can't do that and people who done that for example the people who coined the word "Atheism" fell into that trap of circular reasoning.

So Atheism defined is use of circular reasoning.....while breaking down the word and it's origin in simplicity shows it's impossible to be an Atheist.

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What is "god"?

Doubtful.

Therefore there's a doubt.

You value something. Whatever is the highest degree of value you have is worship.

You either worship yourself or you don't.

If you don't, you should value something higher than you at much higher reverence and value.

The fact you guys can't admit this word shows how ashamed people at admitting it which proves the shame thing I said and that we only accept and are honored of worshiping the sacred.

Do you make this crap up yourself or do you get help online?

Worship myself? 

I'm a human, not worth worshipping.  I hold humanity as more valuable than me.

Do I worship it?

No.  I worship nothing.  Certainly not the firewater you're promoting.

[surreptitious57]

The things that I value the most are knowledge and reason and understanding and empathy and freedom. Though I do not worship any of them
I simply recognise how beneficial they are both to me as an individual and society in general. So if anything benefits me positively I acknowledge
it. But worship is a denial of free thought and is anathema to me as a freethinker. And I am not making my mind a prison for anyone or anything