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Is it really worth it for Republicans
#11
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 11:57 am)wallym Wrote:
(April 20, 2017 at 11:20 am)Brian37 Wrote: Bullshit, I watched the women's march live on CSPAN, you  are flat out lying if you say it was nothing but white women. That march was very diverse. They had black women and Arab women and Native American women and Hispanic women as well as men with different skin tones and backgrounds. Minorities are called minorities for a reason. 

No, the tax march was because politicians should not be allowed to hide behind anything. Transparency is what prevents corruption by EITHER party, and utter nonsense to claim that is a skin tone issue.

I disagree. 

12% of registered voters are black.  That means 20-25% of democrats are black.  That's approx between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5.
12% of registered voters are hispanic.  They're closer to 70%? democrat.  That's 1 in 6ish.
Add those together, that's north of 1 in 3 registered democrats are Black or Hispanic.

Just googled, and took the first results for the women's march:

[Image: akrales_170121_1413_A_0206.0.0.jpg]

[Image: 170121211838-28-womens-march-dc-super-169.jpg]


If more than 1/3rd of your party black and hispanic, it shouldn't feel like Where's Waldo trying to find them.

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And I don't dispute that transparency has nothing to do with skin color.  I do dispute whether or not minorities give a shit about it.  You don't think poor black communities are watching a million white people turn out for tax returns and 'women' in some ambiguous sensel, and wondering what the hell happened to the BLM movement, or the Flint Michigan issues.  You listen to Chappelle, Rock, and Che, and there is some definite disdain towards liberal white folks and their dopey marches.  

I think BLM got shoved to the back burner the night of the convention when Michelle Obama turned into the white chick from the first episode of the Newsroom who asks the question about "Why do you think America is the Greatest Country on Earth!?"  And oh how the white dems cheered!  America's the best!  And they got all excited.  And then come election day, they couldn't figure out why black people didn't come out.

You have no fucking clue what you are talking about, and those pictures are wide angle and far away. I watch the march on TV and again, it included tons of minorities even if they were not the majority. Thus the term "minority". 

And thank you for insulting Michele, glad she didn't suceed at life and get a law degree......OH WAIT. You calling her a sellout is that it? Is there some class oath white people belong to? Cause last time I checked someone living in the  city on minimum wage has the same problem poor rural whites have. The difference is, and Michelle would agree, is that the economic gap still affects minorities at a higher rate.

I don't owe you shit, I don't owe whites shit, I owe my fellow citizens honesty and right now we do not have enough stability economically. That should not be a race issue, but it is because of morons like you.

Black people didn't show up for Hillary, not because she didn't care, but because the GOP hamstrung Obama, but have been holding our entire nation hostage since Reagan. 36 YEARS of GOP gerrymandering has given those assholes a majority of state houses, and governorships and the majority of power in congress ON AVERAGE in that period. If you want to blame anyone for blacks not showing up blame the ASSHOLE GOP for their dickish voter ID laws and 36 years of gerrymandering voting districts.
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#12
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 11:57 am)wallym Wrote:
(April 20, 2017 at 11:20 am)Brian37 Wrote: Bullshit, I watched the women's march live on CSPAN, you  are flat out lying if you say it was nothing but white women. That march was very diverse. They had black women and Arab women and Native American women and Hispanic women as well as men with different skin tones and backgrounds. Minorities are called minorities for a reason. 

No, the tax march was because politicians should not be allowed to hide behind anything. Transparency is what prevents corruption by EITHER party, and utter nonsense to claim that is a skin tone issue.

I disagree. 

12% of registered voters are black.  That means 20-25% of democrats are black.  That's approx between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5.
12% of registered voters are hispanic.  They're closer to 70%? democrat.  That's 1 in 6ish.
Add those together, that's north of 1 in 3 registered democrats are Black or Hispanic.

Just googled, and took the first results for the women's march:

[Image: akrales_170121_1413_A_0206.0.0.jpg]

[Image: 170121211838-28-womens-march-dc-super-169.jpg]


If more than 1/3rd of your party black and hispanic, it shouldn't feel like Where's Waldo trying to find them.

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And I don't dispute that transparency has nothing to do with skin color.  I do dispute whether or not minorities give a shit about it.  You don't think poor black communities are watching a million white people turn out for tax returns and 'women' in some ambiguous sensel, and wondering what the hell happened to the BLM movement, or the Flint Michigan issues.  You listen to Chappelle, Rock, and Che, and there is some definite disdain towards liberal white folks and their dopey marches.  

I think BLM got shoved to the back burner the night of the convention when Michelle Obama turned into the white chick from the first episode of the Newsroom who asks the question about "Why do you think America is the Greatest Country on Earth!?"  And oh how the white dems cheered!  America's the best!  And they got all excited.  And then come election day, they couldn't figure out why black people didn't come out.

Many people in this march were other parties. Independents now make up MORE people than Democrats in the US.  The participants in the march came from ALL parties (though less from the right), there were many 3rd party people marching.  This wasn't, as you try to make it out, Just Democrats

And most importantly, there are a lot of non-white people in that picture.  Are you blind? Hispanic and Asian folks can have fairly pale skin still.  As a person who lives in a neighborhood where I am outnumbered, statistically, by hispanics, I can tell you they often look pretty much white, just most often with dark hair (and not always that, it's quite normal to have red, brown, even blond hair and be latino).  You assume they should all "stick out", but that isn't how it works.

Oh, and I'll back up my assertions with data, not just my own thoughts.

More Independants than Democrats OR Republicans in the US


But if you just wanna go with photos, every photo I look at for the march has people of color in it. The full 1/3rd you claim?  Perhaps not.  But at least 1 in 4 or 5.  And it's not like they all carry signs that say "I'm a  person of color!".

Just to be clear, for instance:

[Image: rtx2pdge.jpg?w=1280]

Who in this photo is white and who is a POC?  I don't know. Do you?
The grey haired lady in the back looks white, maybe.  The red head on the left?  She could be Hispanic, Native American, or white, not sure.  The person in the front left and back right would both look white from a distance shot, but up close I could guess that neither are, though it would just be a guess.

Basically, you are trying to visually identify people who cannot be visually identified, then making broad assed assertions based on your flawed ability to play Where's Waldo with POC, as if they all should stick out like Waldo.  They don't. People come in a wide range of skin tones.  I know, it's shocking!!
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#13
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Aroura Wrote:
(April 20, 2017 at 11:57 am)wallym Wrote: I disagree. 

12% of registered voters are black.  That means 20-25% of democrats are black.  That's approx between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5.
12% of registered voters are hispanic.  They're closer to 70%? democrat.  That's 1 in 6ish.
Add those together, that's north of 1 in 3 registered democrats are Black or Hispanic.
Many people in this march were other parties. Independents now make up MORE people than Democrats in the US.  The participants in the march came from ALL parties (though less from the right), there were many 3rd party people marching.  This wasn't, as you try to make it out, Just Democrats

And most importantly, there are a lot of non-white people in that picture.  Are you blind? Hispanic and Asian folks can have fairly pale skin still.  As a person who lives in a neighborhood where I am outnumbered, statistically, by hispanics, I can tell you they often look pretty much white, just most often with dark hair (and not always that, it's quite normal to have red, brown, even blond hair and be latino).  You assume they should all "stick out", but that isn't how it works.

Oh, and I'll back up my assertions with data, not just my own thoughts.

More Independants than Democrats OR Republicans in the US


But if you just wanna go with photos, every photo I look at for the march has people of color in it. The full 1/3rd you claim?  Perhaps not.  But at least 1 in 4 or 5.  And it's not like they all carry signs that say "I'm a  person of color!".


I concede the hispanic appearance thing.  I think as long as immigration keeps being talked about, there shouldn't be a problem with turning them out anyways.  I don't off the top of my head remember how they turned out in the '16 election.  But intuitively, indifference doesn't seem like it'd be a problem.  Although, if we're including all POC, only 62% of the country is White (non-hispanic).  If half of them are Republicans (low estimate?)  That leaves 38% POC and 31% white.  If we say 75% POC are non-republican, that leaves very close to 1-1 POC to White person.  

Only the 62% white is an actual statistic there.  The rest are guesses, so you can feel free to question them.  But the real point is that I don't think you're seeing anywhere near the expected racial mix.  And my 1 in 3, if we're including asian/native american/other should be closer to 1 in 2, which doesn't even make them a minority in the demographic.  

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If you look at a Black Lives Matter march, however, you don't have to do the "Two of these Six might not be white. I can't be sure."

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But to the original point, how invested do you think the black vote as a demographic is in Trump's tax returns?  If I were a black person, and cops were still beating the shit out of and killing us willy nilly, and kids were still stuck without water in Flint, and I saw millions of people organizing to march over tax returns, I think there would be a disconnect.  Because unlike the white college kid at a Tax march, black people don't have the luxury of moving on from BLM and Flint.  

If Trump's tax returns are released, white people would lose their shit.  It'd be a huge celebration.  Twitter would be aflutter with high fives and we did its.  But black people would still have to send their kids to shitty schools, dodge bullets in their neighborhood at the bus stop, and hope a cop doesn't shoot their kid because they were holding a cell phone that "looked like a gun."

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It's the same with immigration.  A lot of us fairly well off people (i'm not necessarily including anyone here in this, as I don't know anyones situation) have our big debate about whether or not we let the Mexicans come in and cut our lawn and pick fruit for us.  But when it's all said and done, the kids who don't speak english aren't going to my kids school.  The bad hombres aren't in my city.  The uninsured people aren't filling up my emergency room.  

It goes along with an idea in the other thread about the College kids.  It's all philosophy to them.  There are no consequences or rewards.  Regardless of what happens, they'll probably at least get an okay job and live an okay life no matter who is president.  I think there is danger in losing sight of reality when people who don't have any skin in the game are the one's driving the political discourse.
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#14
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 11:07 am)wallym Wrote:
(April 20, 2017 at 6:07 am)It_Was_me Wrote: I just don't understand. Is it worth having Trump in office? The guy is doing more damage to their party than anyone can imagine. Take Georgia for instance. In 2018 people are going to be voting in protest against that Orange retard. He was recently caught in a BIG lie about sending an armada to North Korea. You know what's funny? My Trump friends are still making it about Hillary. lol

Oh no!  He got got in a lie!  Guess it's game over.

What is being missed by the groups out protesting as they post pictures of their massive crowds, is that those crowds are lily white.  The women's march was really the white women's march.  The tax march was really the white people's tax march.  While white people are losing their shit over catching Trump in lies, flip flops, and tax returns, and sharing their hot takes on facebook, the part of the left base that needs to be activated doesn't give a shit and nobody is noticing.

I don't know what your post has to do with the OP but I'll bite. My daughter and I were at the Tax Day March and we're going to the March for Science. She's half Mexican, does that count? 
Rolleyes

-Teresa

ETA: Sorry for the different fonts, stupid phone. Smile
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#15
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 12:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote: And thank you for insulting Michele, glad she didn't suceed at life and get a law degree......OH WAIT. You calling her a sellout is that it? Is there some class oath white people belong to? Cause last time I checked someone living in the  city on minimum wage has the same problem poor rural whites have. The difference is, and Michelle would agree, is that the economic gap still affects minorities at a higher rate.
America is the greatest country on earth if you're Michele Obama.  But if you spent the afternoon marching in the streets because cops keep shooting people in your neighborhood, and went home and saw Michele say it's the greatest country on earth, and then see the crowd go wild...You don't think that's going to rub you the wrong way?  And you're right.  White people in poor areas didn't seem too excited about being a part of the greatest country on earth either. And they didn't vote the way they did in 2012, either.

I thought at the time it was a huge political blunder.  What's even odder, is back when the Newsroom episode aired, the white people cheering like crazy when Michele said we were the best in the world were sharing the Newsroom clip on social media like crazy. It was pretty surreal as an observer.

(in case anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about)

https://youtu.be/q49NOyJ8fNA?t=3m8s
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#16
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 12:21 pm)wallym Wrote:
(April 20, 2017 at 12:03 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Tell us wally why should rational people listen to one of Drumpfuck's brownshits?


You certainly don't have to.  It's just an observation.  The left can keep holding their white people circle jerks in battleground states like California and New York, and then be all confused as to why turnout is low in Milwaukee and Columbus in 2020.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/ma....html?_r=0

Still failing to see how Hillary's mistake is Michelle's fault or how all white people were in on her loss. Hillary and her strategy staff miscaclulated underestimated and took for granted the rust belt states. And it didn't help that Trump spent five years even before running wrongfully vilifying Obama, and we as dems do need to expand our map, but that is not the fault of the voters, a huge part of our losses stem from the monopoly of district map making the GOP holds, the worst you can accuse dems of both whites and blacks is not showing up every November in both even and odd years.
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#17
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
Well, personally I expect blacks and other minorities to check in before they get to marching in the streets, so we can keep the demographic stuff accurate.

It also would let us know where to station the most police, amirite?

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#18
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 2:05 pm)Tres Leches Wrote:
(April 20, 2017 at 11:07 am)wallym Wrote: Oh no!  He got got in a lie!  Guess it's game over.

What is being missed by the groups out protesting as they post pictures of their massive crowds, is that those crowds are lily white.  The women's march was really the white women's march.  The tax march was really the white people's tax march.  While white people are losing their shit over catching Trump in lies, flip flops, and tax returns, and sharing their hot takes on facebook, the part of the left base that needs to be activated doesn't give a shit and nobody is noticing.

I don't know what your post has to do with the OP but I'll bite. My daughter and I were at the Tax Day March and we're going to the March for Science. She's half Mexican, does that count? 
Rolleyes

-Teresa

ETA: Sorry for the different fonts, stupid phone. Smile

In regards to the OP, I think OP is assuming that more people are reacting to Trump the way he/she is than is actually the case.  I used to think I was part of a bloc of maybe 30-40% of the republican party.  That there were religious nuts, and weirdo libertarians, but mostly, it was reasonable people who wanted government to provide a practical structure for society to run in.

I realized in 2012, when Mitt, who is a competent intelligent man, was polling at 12%, and the other 88% was going to an assortment of some of the fucking wackiest wackos imaginable.  An 8-8-8 pizza guy.  Rick Perry.  That lady with the weird face.  Cruz.  Huckabee.  Just a wide assortment of people who should very very obviously not be in charge of anything.   At that point, I realized that I wasn't representative of 40%.  I was probably representative of closer to 5-10%.  

The Left has a similar problem.  There is, my guess, about 20% of the country that thinks they are 55% and acts like they are 80%.  So when OP says "This is going to kill Trump", I think he is vastly overestimating how much of the country he/she represents.
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#19
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 12:21 pm)wallym Wrote:
(April 20, 2017 at 12:03 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Tell us wally why should rational people listen to one of Drumpfuck's brownshits?


You certainly don't have to.  It's just an observation.  The left can keep holding their white people circle jerks in battleground states like California and New York, and then be all confused as to why turnout is low in Milwaukee and Columbus in 2020.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/ma....html?_r=0

Still don't understand why anybody with even two brain cells would listen to goosestepping Sieg Heilers like yourself.
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#20
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 2:45 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:
(April 20, 2017 at 12:21 pm)wallym Wrote: You certainly don't have to.  It's just an observation.  The left can keep holding their white people circle jerks in battleground states like California and New York, and then be all confused as to why turnout is low in Milwaukee and Columbus in 2020.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/ma....html?_r=0

Still don't understand why anybody with even two brain cells would listen to goosestepping Sieg Heilers like yourself.

Maybe someday you'll get that 2nd one, and you'll be able to figure it out for yourself?
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