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Is it really worth it for Republicans
#21
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 1:52 pm)wallym Wrote: It's the same with immigration.  A lot of us fairly well off people (i'm not necessarily including anyone here in this, as I don't know anyones situation) have our big debate about whether or not we let the Mexicans come in and cut our lawn and pick fruit for us.  But when it's all said and done, the kids who don't speak english aren't going to my kids school.  The bad hombres aren't in my city.  The uninsured people aren't filling up my emergency room.  
I suppose that must be a regional experience?  I grew up in south and central florida.  We wealthy people didn't have any such debate..and still don't.  We seek out mexicans for lawn work..and particularly for picking fruit (lol).  I ended up moving, but I'm still in ag - and I'm surrounded by wealthy horse breeders and cow-calf operations..interspersed with relatively poorer pockets of pasture, tobacco, grain, and mixed vegetable production.  The wealthy here seem uniformly in favor of mexican labor, and the poorer operators couldn't survive without it.  I suppose you get the odd loudmouth with an opinion, a bad field boss.  But by and large, there is no debate among the well-to-do or the operators as to whether or not mexican labor is a-ok.  That happens, largely, within another demographic.

The kids who don't speak murican were in my schools, both public and private - choked with them, actually - mostly cubans in south florida, and mexicans in central florida.  They're here too.  A significant number of my neighbors, including my nearest, are a mixed status family.  Their children go to school with my children.   I went to school, as a child, with them.  The bad hombres, such as they are....were there too.  My childhood friend growing up, who spent most of his childhood at my grandmothers with me due to a turbulent period in the homelife (same reason I was there) was just convicted of murdering his side-piece and trying to feed her body to gators...to keep his wife from finding out about their continued affair...that he had impregnated her, that he was prostituting her, as they dealt crack.  This, btw, was out in the country...not the city.  Next level shit, lol.  He was the whitest cuban you'd ever meet (not as in a high yellow.l..but as in he grew up with my racist grandmother raising him like she raised me, just a point of interest about those "bad hombres" I've known, lol.

Our hospitals were similarly flooded, as would be expected.  They are here as well, even though this is a far, far less hispanic area - because those guys don't have the treatment access available to them that their white peers do.  

Quote:It goes along with an idea in the other thread about the College kids.  It's all philosophy to them.  There are no consequences or rewards.  Regardless of what happens, they'll probably at least get an okay job and live an okay life no matter who is president.  I think there is danger in losing sight of reality when people who don't have any skin in the game are the one's driving the political discourse.
Well, that, or we all have skin in the american game?
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RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 2:58 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I suppose that must be a regional experience?  I grew up in south and central florida.  

Quote:It goes along with an idea in the other thread about the College kids.  It's all philosophy to them.  There are no consequences or rewards.  Regardless of what happens, they'll probably at least get an okay job and live an okay life no matter who is president.  I think there is danger in losing sight of reality when people who don't have any skin in the game are the one's driving the political discourse.
Well, that, or we all have skin in the american game?

The regional thing very well may be.  Possibly related to population density?  If a school has kids of families with money in it, it's probably doing fine, since it has families with money in it's tax base and on the PTA.  Where I live, it's a lot more haves and have nots. And the illegal families are going to be sending their kids to schools that are already strapped for resources. My kid goes to a nice school, but with a big (majority) Asian (indian) population. And even with a teacher and full time assistant, ESL program, involved parents, good funding, and well behaved kids, it's still a serious strain on the classroom having 2 or 3 kids that don't speak English to start.

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I don't know that they do have skin in the american game, though.  The speed with which the Black Lives Matter movement was tossed aside was surreal.  It was BLM!  The police state must be stopped!  The oppression needs to end! And then it was America's the Best in the World overnight.  It struck me as jarring.  I would think that it would feel jarring as well to the BLM movement, who haven't gotten nearly the traction they had right up until the DNC convention since.
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#23
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 7:47 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The Grim Old Party ran Lord Orange Marmalade because they didn't have anyone else to run. "He may be shit, but he's OUR brand of shit." Funnily enough, they were wrong. President Loose Cannon may be the last GOP resident of the White House.

They ran him because he beat the other 16 pieces of shit like  rented mules.  Never give the republicunt base too much credit.
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#24
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 3:25 pm)wallym Wrote: The regional thing very well may be.  Possibly related to population density?  If a school has kids of families with money in it, it's probably doing fine, since it has families with money in it's tax base and on the PTA.  Where I live, it's a lot more haves and have nots.  And the illegal families are going to be sending their kids to schools that are already strapped for resources.  
The same was true where I grew up, here..... and as I understand it everywhere.  There were wealthier schools and poorer schools (as in, the schools, regardless of the people who lived around them). We are not adequetaly funding our schools, regardless of the ratio of immigrants or their citizen children who attend.

Quote:My kid goes to a nice school, but with a big (majority) Asian (indian) population.  And even with a teacher and full time assistant, ESL program, involved parents, good funding, and well behaved kids, it's still a serious strain on the classroom having 2 or 3 kids that don't speak English to start.
Your school is strained by one or two esl students per classroom?  Who do they staff it with, goats?  Talk about white peoples problems (lol).  

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Quote:I don't know that they do have skin in the american game, though.  The speed with which the Black Lives Matter movement was tossed aside was surreal.  It was BLM!  The police state must be stopped!  The oppression needs to end! And then it was America's the Best in the World overnight.  It struck me as jarring.  I would think that it would feel jarring as well to the BLM movement, who haven't gotten nearly the traction they had right up until the DNC convention since.
Well, there -was- a successful campaign from the right to make BLM to heavy a set of baggage to carry.  It can be politically expedient to ditch BLM -particularly- if you want to achieve some of BLMs goals.  The whole world moves fast now Wall.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
(April 20, 2017 at 3:37 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
Quote:I don't know that they do have skin in the american game, though.  The speed with which the Black Lives Matter movement was tossed aside was surreal.  It was BLM!  The police state must be stopped!  The oppression needs to end! And then it was America's the Best in the World overnight.  It struck me as jarring.  I would think that it would feel jarring as well to the BLM movement, who haven't gotten nearly the traction they had right up until the DNC convention since.
Well, there -was- a successful campaign from the right to make BLM to heavy a set of baggage to carry.  It can be politically expedient to ditch BLM -particularly- if you want to achieve some of BLMs goals.  The whole world moves fast now Wall.

Telling people you're going to stop talking about them getting shot by cops for political expediency is a tough sell.  Especially, given their track record of being ignored in general.
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#26
RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
I think the best thing that has happened since Trump became president was the appointment of Judge Gorsuch to the supreme court.  This was the the most important reason I had to vote for him even though I didn't particularly like him.  I like stuff like getting rid of stupid regulations that are crippling small businesses, trying to get control over illegal immigration and listening to his military advisers.
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