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Islam; my faith; and other faiths
#41
RE: Islam; my faith; and other faiths
(2 hours ago)Crunchy Wrote:
(2 hours ago)MysticKnight Wrote: And the reality is we are more in need of such true Shaman figure in this age than any time in the past.

So 1400 years of dictatorship and theocracy is not enough for you. You want it in perpetuity?
Ali and Hassan ruled barely any time, and they were opposed. 
If children of Israel obeyed the Prophets of their time,  the world would be a better place.
If the nation of Mohammad obeyed his successors, it would be a better place.
I am certain of this. But if they cling to unworthy leadership and obey other than them, things will spiral out of control.
We Muslims failed the world. We Shiites failed our Guides and Masters. These holy Kings and pure souls were meant for all humanity, and if we had any courage, we would of long defeated Iblis and his forces.
When we fear people like the fear of God, when we love the false world with love meant for God and his chosen ones, we blame ourselves, not the book that was meant to usher hope to humanity, bring balance to the world, and establish the just world it was always meant to be.
Then God sent His Messengers ...(and) to unveil the treasures (the hiddens) of intellects (Aql)
Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 1

Whoever knows himself, knows his lord.
Misbah al-Shariah
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#42
RE: Islam; my faith; and other faiths
(1 hour ago)MysticKnight Wrote:
(2 hours ago)Crunchy Wrote: So 1400 years of dictatorship and theocracy is not enough for you. You want it in perpetuity?
Ali and Hassan ruled barely any time, and they were opposed. 
If children of Israel obeyed the Prophets of their time,  the world would be a better place.
If the nation of Mohammad obeyed his successors, it would be a better place.
I am certain of this. But if they cling to unworthy leadership and obey other than them, things will spiral out of control.
We Muslims failed the world. We Shiites failed our Guides and Masters. These holy Kings and pure souls were meant for all humanity, and if we had any courage, we would of long defeated Iblis and his forces.
When we fear people like the fear of God, when we love the false world with love meant for God and his chosen ones, we blame ourselves, not the book that was meant to usher hope to humanity, bring balance to the world, and establish the just world it was always meant to be.
Sour grapes. There are more reasons than failure to follow the "true" guides that your bloody religion has failed to bring peace to this world. You follow a god created in the image of blood thirsty tyrants.
 
"Each nation has created a god, and the god has always resembled his creators. He hated and loved what they hated and loved, and he was invariably found on the side of those in power. Each god was intensely patriotic, and detested all nations but his own. All these gods demanded praise, flattery, and worship. Most of them were pleased with sacrifice, and the smell of innocent blood has ever been considered a divine perfume. All these gods have insisted upon having a vast number of priests, and the priests have always insisted upon being supported by the people, and the principal business of these priests has been to boast about their god, and to insist that he could easily vanquish all the other gods put together." Ingersoll
 








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#43
RE: Islam; my faith; and other faiths
(1 hour ago)chimp3 Wrote:
(1 hour ago)MysticKnight Wrote: Ali and Hassan ruled barely any time, and they were opposed. 
If children of Israel obeyed the Prophets of their time,  the world would be a better place.
If the nation of Mohammad obeyed his successors, it would be a better place.
I am certain of this. But if they cling to unworthy leadership and obey other than them, things will spiral out of control.
We Muslims failed the world. We Shiites failed our Guides and Masters. These holy Kings and pure souls were meant for all humanity, and if we had any courage, we would of long defeated Iblis and his forces.
When we fear people like the fear of God, when we love the false world with love meant for God and his chosen ones, we blame ourselves, not the book that was meant to usher hope to humanity, bring balance to the world, and establish the just world it was always meant to be.
Sour grapes. There are more reasons than failure to follow the "true" guides that your bloody religion has failed to bring peace to this world. You follow a god created in the image of blood thirsty tyrants.

Our leaders are with the oppressed and meek in the earth, and were chosen from them. They are opposite of blood thirsty tyrants, and it's oppressive people like Pharaohs and their followers who wish to pick their leaders as opposed to having God pick the best among them and manifest him with clear proofs.

We know people of plenty and ease and their ways of following desires don't want to recognize their duty to knowledge, justice or the oppressed.   

The light of God will manifest to the world be it no matter how much you maybe averse or hate it.

"I am God the King" will be manifested through the Leader and Guide of our time and Jesus will help him and be one of his clear proofs.
Then God sent His Messengers ...(and) to unveil the treasures (the hiddens) of intellects (Aql)
Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 1

Whoever knows himself, knows his lord.
Misbah al-Shariah
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#44
RE: Islam; my faith; and other faiths
(1 hour ago)MysticKnight Wrote:
(1 hour ago)chimp3 Wrote: Sour grapes. There are more reasons than failure to follow the "true" guides that your bloody religion has failed to bring peace to this world. You follow a god created in the image of blood thirsty tyrants.

Our leaders are with the oppressed and meek in the earth, and were chosen from them. They are opposite of blood thirsty tyrants, and it's oppressive people like Pharaohs and their followers who wish to pick their leaders as opposed to having God pick the best among them and manifest him with clear proofs.

We know people of plenty and ease and their ways of following desires don't want to recognize their duty to knowledge, justice or the oppressed.   

The light of God will manifest to the world be it no matter how much you maybe averse or hate it.

"I am God the King" will be manifested through the Leader and Guide of our time and Jesus will help him and be one of his clear proofs.
Dream on!
 
"Each nation has created a god, and the god has always resembled his creators. He hated and loved what they hated and loved, and he was invariably found on the side of those in power. Each god was intensely patriotic, and detested all nations but his own. All these gods demanded praise, flattery, and worship. Most of them were pleased with sacrifice, and the smell of innocent blood has ever been considered a divine perfume. All these gods have insisted upon having a vast number of priests, and the priests have always insisted upon being supported by the people, and the principal business of these priests has been to boast about their god, and to insist that he could easily vanquish all the other gods put together." Ingersoll
 








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#45
RE: Islam; my faith; and other faiths
(1 hour ago)chimp3 Wrote:
(1 hour ago)MysticKnight Wrote: Our leaders are with the oppressed and meek in the earth, and were chosen from them. They are opposite of blood thirsty tyrants, and it's oppressive people like Pharaohs and their followers who wish to pick their leaders as opposed to having God pick the best among them and manifest him with clear proofs.

We know people of plenty and ease and their ways of following desires don't want to recognize their duty to knowledge, justice or the oppressed.   

The light of God will manifest to the world be it no matter how much you maybe averse or hate it.

"I am God the King" will be manifested through the Leader and Guide of our time and Jesus will help him and be one of his clear proofs.
Dream on!
Living the dream.
Then God sent His Messengers ...(and) to unveil the treasures (the hiddens) of intellects (Aql)
Nahjul Balagha, Sermon 1

Whoever knows himself, knows his lord.
Misbah al-Shariah
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#46
RE: Islam; my faith; and other faiths
(2 hours ago)Crunchy Wrote: Ok great, can you answer my question above in post #36?

yes.



Quote:The Hadith paint the picture of how a murderer, rapist and pedophile came to conquer Arabia so it's no wonder you chose to ignore them, but the Quran is no better. It's just written in a more flowery and confusing way.

I've read the Quran and was not impressed. It's an awful lot of plagiarism from the bible and by far the main focus is pure hatred of the unbeliever. 
You can pretend all you want that there are some "nice" passages and some "bad" passages, therefore this somehow cancels out. But the truth is quite different.

A simple counting shows that "the unbeliever" is the most common feature of the Quran. Muhammad, like all cult leaders, was obsessed with being followed and obeyed. Counting up the nice things that Muhammad says about unbelievers vs the absolutely horrid and vile things he says and counsels to do to them will easily put to rest the lie of "some good and some bad" and it is ridiculously easy to see the huge overburden of vile xenophobia found throughout the Quran.

So, I'd like to here from a moderate Muslim like yourself. How can you give your approval and support to so may evil ideas? Do you think that just redacting them from your mind somehow makes the problems disappear from the world outside your mind?

Many choose not to ignore it; though.
In fact, it's even used in the constitution of many countries across the Middle East as a source of law creation.

"plagiarism" is a big accusation. But if you see it like that; it's up to you.
Sharing the same concepts is not plagiarism; it might be an indication that the Quran and the Bible do share the same God.

I don't claim anything, but I quote the Quran itself:

Sura 5, Page 123, The Quran:
( 87 )   O you who have believed, do not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors.

Open up page 123, on verse 87, to see that being a transgressor is prohibited by Islam.. It's not rocket science.
I do find a nation, that believed in this verse, 1400 years ago, quite impressive, don't you think?

You also said that Mohammed was obsessed with others following him.
Which I find a quite ignorant statement; looking at this verse:

Sura 109, Page 603, The Quran:
( 1 )   Say, "O disbelievers,

( 2 )   I do not worship what you worship.

( 3 )   Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.

( 4 )   Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.

( 5 )   Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
( 6 )   For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

So I can say straightforwardly that your post is not based on research, real study of the Quran, real supporting with evidence against Mohammed's case from the Quran, which makes your post quite a propaganda of an anti theistic mind.

Ask yourself what makes you lie about the whole thing, instead of bringing evidence upforth like a decent unbiased detective of ancient texts?
Or is it a set of Blah blah blah that Antitheists believe in?

Not evil. This book is the mercy of God for us humans. A mercy we hid by nuclear bombs and WMDs.
Just believe me. Your face, cloths, the way you speak, the money you have, the things you own, the car you drive, nothing of that defines you; only your actions do, only, that's your worth. Every action can be one of two: good or bad. That is you. Don't allow anybody to fool you into self-hating because of stupid standards, that sidetracks you from the main categories that define you.
-AtlasS
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