Religions are not equals

[Mister Agenda]

Again, you misrepresent what I'm saying so badly that there's likely no salvaging it. I appreciate the time you took, though.

[WinterHold]

It is in fact very important to make sure to separate people from ideology and not to lump them together in this careless fashion.

My advice to you, is to invent a new word to describe "Islam"; but why tire ourselves; there is already one  phrase that describe your own personal crusade against it:
"Double Standards". 
Religions are equal in terms of that they are all  being:

a particular system of faith and worship.

2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreedupon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

While xenophobia means:

1.
fear or hatred of foreigners, people from different cultures, orstrangers:
Xenophobia and nationalism can be seen as a reaction to the rise ofglobalization.

What you call to can be summed in this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_an...hnic_terms


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You brought nothing new. In the Islamic forum you deployed a mighty hate for Muslims and Islam, calling others nazies just because they had and opinion or two that goes against yours; moreover you claimed religions are not equal, I would say to you: carry a dictionary; please.
Or use a language other than English.
This topic smells like a right wing propaganda. When somebody says a verse or two are fine in the Quran, it doesn't mean they are Muslims. Religions are equal in terms of definition.

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Yes, ideas like yours lead to world wars. Lead to genocides. That is nazism itself; but under different lables and names. Play the definition until grudge is love. war is peace. Religion is not actually Religion; thus it's not equal with the other. Why ? because war is peace!

[Crunchy]

Again, you misrepresent what I'm saying so badly that there's likely no salvaging it. I appreciate the time you took, though.

And again, you can't say how I've misrepresented you. 

You still think that religion = the people who hold the beliefs which is what you've specifically stated. No misrepresentation. The "punching up" "punching down" nonsense is simply another example of trying to protect minorities (people) by protecting their beliefs (religion) from criticism since you see them as equivalent. Yes, let's protect minorities, but No let's not give their beliefs any special treatment because of their status as minorities.
Islam counts 1.5 billion followers worldwide. It doesn't need to be patronized in this way. 

I think the problem is that you aren't aware that you're doing this, so you think your views are being misrepresented.

[WinterHold]

https://atheistforums.org/thread-48762-p...pid1546372

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I call the above "seeking attention sandwich".

But moreover; Religions like ISLAM for example, are very violent. I'm not speaking about ISLAM though; I'm speaking in general, ISLAM is just an example.

You know what I mean    ...

Religious people are terrorists; like Muslims who follow Islam. Religions should not be equal; say ......Christianity and Islam?


BTW; I never meant to bombard Islam with rightist propaganda! I'm speaking about human rights!

[Crunchy]

AtlasS33 Wrote:
Religions are equal in terms of that they are all  being: a particular system of faith and worship.

No one doubts this. But that doesn’t mean their content is the same now does it.  
"Ideology: a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy."
So according to your childish logic, all ideologies are the same because there is one definition of ideology. There is no difference between them. Can you really be this stupid or are you just trolling?

While xenophobia means: fear or hatred of foreigners, people from different cultures, orstrangers:

Correct, and here are examples of Xenophobia:

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore, strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

And that is just a brief sampling of the hatred taught by Islam. The Quran is absolutely chock full of this xenophobic nonsense. It is in fact the most xenophobic of the major religions. It’s no wonder Islam has bloody borders.

In the Islamic forum you deployed a mighty hate for Muslims and Islam, calling others nazies just because they had and opinion or two that goes against yours;

I corrected that for you and please at least try to be honest. I did not call “others” nazi. I compared you to a nazi who thinks Hitler was a good guy because he did a few good things while ignoring the horrible things he did. This is EXACTLY what you do when you conveniently forget that Muhammed was a murderer, rapist and pedophile who counselled xenophobic hatred and violence towards those who refused to believe what he believed.

 

moreover you claimed religions are not equal, I would say to you: carry a dictionary; please.

Sharing a definition of "religion" does not mean each religion shares the same beliefs. Go above and see the definition of ideology and tell me if every ideology is therefore the same. You should be embarrassed for making such a stupid mistake in a public forum but I doubt you have any sense of shame. 

I find it impossible to believe that anyone could be this stupid. I think you have been stalking me lately and posting nonsense in an attempt to troll me and get me to waste my time out of anger because I make you look foolish for your foolish ideas. 
So on the ignore pile you go.

[Neo-Scholastic]

And that is just a brief sampling of the hatred taught by Islam. The Quran is absolutely chock full of this xenophobic nonsense. It is in fact the most xenophobic of the major religions. It’s no wonder Islam has bloody borders.

Yes, but it does so with such poetic elegance that it must be divinely inspired! :-)

[WinterHold]

AtlasS33 Wrote:
Religions are equal in terms of that they are all  being: a particular system of faith and worship.

No one doubts this. But that doesn’t mean their content is the same now does it.  
"Ideology: a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy."
So according to your childish logic, all ideologies are the same because there is one definition of ideology. There is no difference between them. Can you really be this stupid or are you just trolling?

I choose "trolling" as my insult of choice.
No; just kidding.
What is a "library"? it's a place where "books" are kept. Despite their content.
What is a "Laptop"? it's a computer, despite its content.
What is a T.V? it's a monitor, despite its content.
What's Christianity? it's a religion, despite its content.
What's Islam? It's a religion, despite its content.
Islam is not Mohammed. Christianity is not Jesus. A Toshiba laptop is not a Ferrari. 
It's not trolling. It's common sense.
I still hold my advice: buy a dictionary.

Correct, and here are examples of Xenophobia:

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore, strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

And that is just a brief sampling of the hatred taught by Islam. The Quran is absolutely chock full of this xenophobic nonsense. It is in fact the most xenophobic of the major religions. It’s no wonder Islam has bloody borders.

Sura 60, Page 550, The Quran:
( 7 )   Perhaps Allah will put, between you and those to whom you have been enemies among them, affection. And Allah is competent, and Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
( 8 )   Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
( 9 )   Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

Context; please.
Play the macho bigot on us, fight us without a reason, we'll fight you back. Behave yourself and be a decent human being, we'll smile back at you and even make you a plate of Kabab. God loves those who act justly.

I corrected that for you and please at least try to be honest. I did not call “others” nazi. I compared you to a nazi who thinks Hitler was a good guy because he did a few good things while ignoring the horrible things he did. This is EXACTLY what you do when you conveniently forget that Muhammed was a murderer, rapist and pedophile who counselled xenophobic hatred and violence towards those who refused to believe what he believed.

No; you called me a Nazi.
Only you think that Mohammed was a rapist killer pedophile alien; along with most Sunni and Shiite population. 

You believe the Hadith more than Sunnies do.

Sharing a definition of "religion" does not mean each religion shares the same beliefs. Go above and see the definition of ideology and tell me if every ideology is therefore the same. You should be embarrassed for making such a stupid mistake in a public forum but I doubt you have any sense of shame. 

I find it impossible to believe that anyone could be this stupid. I think you have been stalking me lately and posting nonsense in an attempt to troll me and get me to waste my time out of anger because I make you look foolish for your foolish ideas. 
So on the ignore pile you go.

Then specify; please. i.e say "Islam is not equal with all religions". Then I'll give you the benefit of honesty. 

You are paranoid. You're not worthy of stalking; believe me.

1-You're not an ex
2-You're not a crush
3-Stalking is forbidden:

Sura 49, Page 517, The Quran:
( 12 ) O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful.

[vorlon13]

. . . as I've noted before, Mormonism is ESPECIALLY FALSE.

I've not claimed that any religion is more false than the other so this attempt at sarcasm is off the mark. For sarcasm to work you have to be accurate about that which you are attempting to mock. A joke that is "funny because it's true" is not funny if it's not true.
It seems that we all agree that all religions share the same flaw in that they put faith ahead of reason. They are all false, but some are more violent/intolerant/sexist and so on and these differences have real world consequences.

It bothers me that every public figure who speaks about Islam being currently more troublesome is labelled a racist and bigot and their reasoned arguments are ignored or misrepresented. Sam Harris, Bill Maher, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Maajid Nawaz, Richard Dawkins, Hitchens etc...  Tolerance of intolerance does not lead to more tolerance.

Compare this to the enlightenment when people like Voltaire, and Thomas Jefferson spoke out against Christianity. They were deemed blasphemers by their religious opponents, not racists and bigots by their own ideological peers. 

How can there be a new enlightenment directed at Islam when Liberals and atheists attack their own peers who are speaking out against Islam?

I'm acknowledging Joseph Smith went the extra mile, so to speak, in compounding screw up after screw up with more screw ups.

First, in my view, if you're going to cobble together another false religion out of bailing wire, duck tape, and wire ties, and then spend an exorbitant amount of time and effort revising the original version, and then revising the revisions, and then revising that, and then your successors commence to revising shit compulsively too,  for pity's sake, do NOT record all your conniving and perfidy in the first place, and in the second place, don't fucking publish it in official church publications, and then in the third place, your idiot successors are going to deny anything was ever changed, then when they are presented with the evidence YOU FUCKING PUBLISHED, it makes them look like fucking foolish diptard hacks when they have to deny, deny deny, all the while their fucking apologists are jumping ship when faced with the hopeless fucking task of straightening out all your fucking lies, lies, revisions, changes, lies, perfidy, lies, connivance, contrivance, lies and more lies !!!!


now, undoubtedly, there is all kinds of crappola, folderol, outrageous lies and conduct in all manner of faiths, but we have to admit, most all of those other religions had the in house staff with the inherent sense to not publish incontrovertible evidence of their malfeasance in their OWN PUBLICATIONS !!

Mormonism is head and shoulders above all the rest in self falsifying itself (thus saving us the leg work!) and self publishing on their very own church owned printing presses all the implicating documents anyone would ever need to disprove Mormonism.  So, it really is an [ahem and tee hee] especially false religion.


Oh that the rest of Christendom would have been as conveniently stupid, the interests of atheism would be centuries more advanced at this point !!!

[Mister Agenda]

Again, you misrepresent what I'm saying so badly that there's likely no salvaging it. I appreciate the time you took, though.

And again, you can't say how I've misrepresented you. 

And again you misrepresent me, but in a one-liner for a change, so I'll tackle it. It's not 'can't', it's 'won't'. Your style is to make a lot of assertions about my positions based on very little information. Unsurprisingly, the result lacks accuracy. I don't think it's worth my time to engage you on your miscomprehension of my positions. It's certainly not enjoyable, and I'm here to enjoy myself. People who tell you what you think are generally assholes, possibly without exception, but my sample size is, thankfully, small; and mostly theists.

[Neo-Scholastic]

How many Mormons does it take to change a light bulb? Two...one to make the replacement and another to say it wasn't changed.