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The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
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RE: The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
(May 6, 2017 at 3:31 pm)Cyberman Wrote: My bad; I really should have cited a source. I got it from here: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Notable_Ch...of_Species

However this might be a better source: http://darwin-online.org.uk/Variorum/186...-1861.html
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RE: The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
The irreducible complexity of the eye was one of the first things I had a problem with when I got interested in evolution.

It didn't take much research to understand it better though.  I didn't actually get the idea from any creationists, it was just my own thought that I didn't understand what an eye could have evolved from.  With a bit of research I understood it that there's lots of different types of light and sound sensors on all different kinds of animals, some being more complex/advanced than others.


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RE: The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
About fifteen years ago, before I got involved with this stuff, there was a letter in a local free newspaper about the impossibility of the human eye evolving. I had never heard of Richard Dawkins at this point, nor any of the major players we now take for granted. Even then, I managed to work out in my head the sort of evolutionary sequence that might have occurred, from light-sensitive cells to fully-formed eyes.
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RE: The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
(May 6, 2017 at 5:54 pm)Cyberman Wrote: About fifteen years ago, before I got involved with this stuff, there was a letter in a local free newspaper about the impossibility of the human eye evolving. I had never heard of Richard Dawkins at this point, nor any of the major players we now take for granted. Even then, I managed to work out in my head the sort of evolutionary sequence that might have occurred, from light-sensitive cells to fully-formed eyes.

It's like when there's a will, there's a way. In this case, the intellectual will to work it out and see if it really is impossible or not.

The sin of the creationist is that they don't attempt to solve the problem in their heads. They're already satisfied with their position.
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RE: The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
The problem fundies have is getting all that change through time into only 6,021 years. In order to "stay on topic" they can't use a longer time. Granted that is a mere clock tick in geological time, but we've created the Great Dane and chihuahua in less time than that.
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RE: The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
Quote:So why do we speak of the missing link as if it’s still missing?


Because creatards are fucking morons.
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RE: The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
(May 6, 2017 at 7:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:So why do we speak of the missing link as if it’s still missing?


Because creatards are fucking morons.
Hmmm? Then perhaps what's missing is actually from their heads. A neuron or two?
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire

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RE: The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
The evolution of the eye and the descent of humans and chimpanzees is too irreducibly complex a subject for most I.D.iots.
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






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RE: The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
(May 6, 2017 at 1:36 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: even a poorly performing eye organ is better (from a survival aspect) than not having one at all

Not necessarily. People always talk about a photosensitive cell. By itself, it's no better than nothing at all.
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RE: The Missing Link and the Irreducible Complexity of the Eye
houseflies make do with remarkably poor vision

LOL, without glasses, I do too (legally blind 20/200+)
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