Why is it okay when God kills people?

[vorlon13]

God's best servant is Satan. Doing a dirty job and doing it well.

When Jesus needed to purchase souls to redeem from Satan, He willingly endured 40 days of vile torments to do it.

[Cecelia]

I also wonder why some of you would prefer to follow Satan since he wants you to burn in hell with him while God wants you to have pleasure with him in heaven.

How do you know what this Satan character wants?  I mean we never get his side of the story.  He's barely mentioned in the bible at all, and he has yet to write his side of the story. 

Also God doesn't want us to have pleasure with him in heaven.  He wants us to worship at his feet for an eternity, singing his praises.  I mean it's what he expects on earth, so I'm not sure why it'd be so different in heaven.

[vorlon13]

Satan gets everyone not a member of the One True Church.

All the theists really need to knuckle down and figure out which is the RIGHT one.

And yes, I'm still pulling for the Congregation of Jehovah's Presbytery of Zion, GO CONJESPRESITES !!!!!!


And additionally, yeah, Drich is real big on just believing Jesus died for your personal redemption, but many many many pious folks have spent literally unimaginable efforts into 70,000+ schisms of Christiainty, so REALLY REALLY REALLY, it can't just be belief in Jesus yada yada yada otherwise schisming would not be such a prominent prominent prominent feature of Christianity. Really.

So let's get the One True Faith pinned down, and pinned down ASAP, thank you.

[Harry Nevis]

I'd just like to say that if you look at God from just an earthly perspective and you think that death is bad, then you're not going to like God.  The truth is in that sense he kills every single one of us.  He could allow us to live, but he lets us all die. So, with or without God, we're all recipients of some evil act.

I also wonder why some of you would prefer to follow Satan since he wants you to burn in hell with him while God wants you to have pleasure with him in heaven.

I wonder how someone can read these posts day after day and decide we're choosing to follow one mythical being over another.  Must be that god-pickled brain.

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Point of order:

Satan is not himself tormented in hell.

He will be.

How? Are you going down there to spew apologetics to him? Have some mercy.

[Drich]

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for everyone in that country yes. That is what morality is. One can only say it is not right if and only if they belong to a greater group.

So that morality is right for the christians in that country being killed?
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That 'morality' supersedes and Christian thoughts on the matter in that country.. just like here with any other Christian topic that society deems immoral.

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[quote='Drich' pid='1550685' dateline='1494421571']
Morality is not a fixed value. To the muslim killing Christians in a MORAL OBLIGATION lest you be found a infidel yourself for not following the teaching of mo-ham. with in those borders for the million upon millions who live there it is indeed morally right to kill.

The only time it ceases being morally right is when a bigger badder people come along and topple that society, and demand they adopt their 'morality.' in either case the might of the many define the right and wrong of the people.

for everyone in that country yes. That is what morality is. One can only say it is not right if and only if they belong to a greater group.

We are obviously defining "morality" differently.

Not differently at a different depth.

When I speak of morality, I am referring to decisions and actions that effect other's well being. A decision or action is morally good, if it positively effects someone's well being, or does not harm their well being, or is neutral to their well being. It is immoral of it harms other's well being.

So am I. However I am simply allowing for the cultural differences that allows what you would consider an immoral act, a holy one to someone in another culture. Or do you truly not understand no culture sees themselves as being evil. There HAS to literally be a Moral justification and cultural acceptance for everything all cultures do. that is the only solid thing we share. Or Do you think the ISIS Muslims think it is morally wrong to cut the heads off of demons?

With the Jews if you studied the German propaganda they used science to sell genocide citing that the jews were a leach/roach mongrel race of inferior people that were killing the 'evolution' of humanity. Keeping Man from evolving into what science would call 'super humans.'

No one sees themselves as bad and no matter how evil we get we will always have a justification for what we do. why it is good and good for society.

I am simply saying without any righteous foundation without absolutes, there is no way to truly understand what 'good' is. There is only might makes right.

The Muslims with the power in the countries that are killing Christians, may believe they are moral (according to their doctrine), but since they are harming other's well being, they are not.

Again says who? someone who is in a mightier position. now put yourself in the persecuted shoe of the Christian in that country. If you had universal truth and authority on your side you could stop this persecution right? you could call those people on their sins and make them stop... In reality though what do you think would happen? Their might would make their efforts right.

You know how you can tell? Ask those who are being killed if they are morally okay with being killed.

It doesn't matter, no one society kills wants to die. to the weak their deaths are always wrong. Even if the weak in this case is a Taliban or ISIS

I understand why you have to defend 'might makes right', because your religious texts are rife with examples of it perpetrated by your god.

Again you guys are idiots if you think this. I simply asked you to provide one example in human history where might does not make right in society. It does not matter what the minority think they do not have the might to make things 'right.' You are confusing to objections to society's morality, and what society accepts as moral.

Example: in this society Homosexuality is accepted. In this society we have put our social might (laws and police) behind protecting homosexuality. Now there are those in this society who object to the life style. But do not have the 'might' to impose their will onto society. the Majority's might makes homosexuality right in society no matter what subsects of society think.

do you understand? Might make right for you, not just me.

I guess I have to give you some kudos for defending 'might makes right', even if Christians are on the wrong end of it, lest you be guilty of special pleading.

Anyone who argues might does not make right does not understand history or society. At no point does a weaker culture's values impress themselves on a stronger cultures value if the strong culture does not want them

[Mister Agenda]

We're his art work, he gets to dispose of us as he sees fit.  

There is an answer no xtian is ever going to give you.

I have heard that one actually, God is the potter and we're the clay and if he doesn't like a particular vase he made he has the right to crush it to powder if he wants. Tres' biblical, btw.

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Again I asked you for one example where might does not make right in human History. Even with the Nazis Their might made it right to kill jews by the millions, then the western allies 'might' made what the Nazi's were doing wrong again. Might has always made right in every human example. So then what makes you think this is not a hold over or character of God?

My poor brother...you've descended to such moral subjectivity that you're implying God is right for the same reason the Nazis were right, with the main difference being that there isn't anyone more powerful than God to overrule him. I think you should have a talk with your pastor.

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Anyone who argues might does not make right does not understand history or society. At no point does a weaker culture's values impress themselves on a stronger cultures value if the strong culture does not want them.

Sufficient might lets you impose what you want on other people. Where does the stronger culture get its values from? How do the mighty determine their values and morality? Who imposes it on them? Because 'might makes right' being the basis of morality implies that it always comes from someone mightier, and also that it's arbitrary, the whim of the mighty.

[Whateverist]

We're his art work, he gets to dispose of us as he sees fit.  

There is an answer no xtian is ever going to give you.

I have heard that one actually, God is the potter and we're the clay and if he doesn't like a particular vase he made he has the right to crush it to powder if he wants. Tres' biblical, btw.

Cool, God is such a bad ass. No wonder the xtians all kowtow to him. Kind of makes you hope your form and execution pleases the divine smasher, maybe check a mirror and touch up ones glaze from time to time.

[SteveII]

God is supposed to be the bastion for morality, yet he goes around killing people pretty willy nilly in the bible.  Not to mention how he demands blood sacrifices--which would be more than a little creepy if he were human.  So why isn't it creepy just because he's some invisible wizard?

Are you okay with the concept of God judging people after they die? 

If you are, then what is the difference if he judges them before they die? 

If you are not, then it seems that killing people is really not your objection--rather that somehow it is not reasonable that God should be able to judge us.

[GrandizerII]

God is supposed to be the bastion for morality, yet he goes around killing people pretty willy nilly in the bible.  Not to mention how he demands blood sacrifices--which would be more than a little creepy if he were human.  So why isn't it creepy just because he's some invisible wizard?

Are you okay with the concept of God judging people after they die? 

If you are, then what is the difference if he judges them before they die? 

If you are not, then it seems that killing people is really not your objection--rather that somehow it is not reasonable that God should be able to judge us.

Perhaps their objection is that the idea of a good God killing people defies modern humane intuitions of what constitutes superior/divine morality. Whether God should or should not judge us is not what they're arguing about. So focus on the argument at hand instead of trying to guess for them what they're really objecting to.

In other words, nice dodge, lol.

[brewer]

I think the point is, she does not understand how people can believe in a creepy fantasy god.

Edit: and believe that it is real. (insert shudders here)