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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
June 1, 2017 at 1:35 am
Of course the electoral college is broken.
He literally stated that the electorate vote is what you need, not the popular vote. Those are the same thing.
Changing the system, once again, requires that you win with the current rules. Complaining that the rules suck after you lost is a bit hollow. 40 some odd percent of the electorate didn't vote. The electoral college is a red herring.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
June 1, 2017 at 1:35 am
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(June 1, 2017 at 1:31 am)Khemikal Wrote: @Twice now in the last two decades
Both of which being republican candidates. Gosh, it's almost like they're gaming the system or something?
Golly, that had never occurred to me!
(June 1, 2017 at 1:35 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: The electoral college is a red herring.
It is also the problem. Dismissing his point because of semantics is not very convincing. He was obviously referring to the EC.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
June 1, 2017 at 1:39 am
Quote:We've had two instances of popular votes being overridden by EC stratagems in the last 20 years.
Actually its twice in 16 years which covers only 5 elections so the EC fuck-up rate is running at 40% if you want to look at current streaks.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
June 1, 2017 at 1:42 am
(June 1, 2017 at 1:39 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:We've had two instances of popular votes being overridden by EC stratagems in the last 20 years.
Actually its twice in 16 years which covers only 5 elections so the EC fuck-up rate is running at 40% if you want to look at current streaks.
Yeah, I was rounding off.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
June 1, 2017 at 1:44 am
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(June 1, 2017 at 1:35 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 1:35 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: The electoral college is a red herring.
It is also the problem. Dismissing his point because of semantics is not very convincing.
It is a problem, it is not the problem.
I would love to see it changed, but if the system can be gamed, both sides can do it.
And I don't believe a complete lack of understanding of what an electorate is qualifies as semantics.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
June 1, 2017 at 1:46 am
(June 1, 2017 at 1:44 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: And I don't believe a complete lack of understanding of what an electorate is qualifies as semantics.
No, but chiding him for writing "electorate" rather than "electoral college" does. His meaning was clear ... for once.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
June 1, 2017 at 1:47 am
(June 1, 2017 at 1:46 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 1:44 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: And I don't believe a complete lack of understanding of what an electorate is qualifies as semantics.
No, but chiding him for writing "electorate" rather than "electoral college" does. His meaning was clear ... for once. If you say so.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
June 1, 2017 at 1:49 am
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(June 1, 2017 at 1:44 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: I would love to see it changed, but if the system can be gamed, both sides can do it. idk.......the dems might find it a little bit harder to systematically disenfranchise the average republican voter, don't you think? Sure, microtargeting blacks can slip by, engineering districts such that the vote of dems is mooted can slip by....for as long as it needs to in order to be effective.....but try to pull that shit on a middle aged white christian male who consistently votes republican?
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
June 1, 2017 at 1:49 am
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(June 1, 2017 at 1:44 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: It is a problem, it is not the problem.
I would love to see it changed, but if the system can be gamed, both sides can do it.
Well, that is the problem, isn't it? Inserting another layer between the will of the electorate and the elected?
(June 1, 2017 at 1:47 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 1:46 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: No, but chiding him for writing "electorate" rather than "electoral college" does. His meaning was clear ... for once. If you say so.
Pat answer, kid. You should be better than this. Did you honestly not know what he was trying to say?
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
June 1, 2017 at 2:04 am
(June 1, 2017 at 1:49 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 1:44 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: It is a problem, it is not the problem.
I would love to see it changed, but if the system can be gamed, both sides can do it.
Well, that is the problem, isn't it? Inserting another layer between the will of the electorate and the elected?
Globally, yes. Specific to what we were talking about in the thread, namely this election, no.
(June 1, 2017 at 1:49 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 1:47 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: If you say so.
Pat answer, kid. You should be better than this. Did you honestly not know what he was trying to say?
I knew what he was trying to say. I want, for once, for him to be able to write a full sentence that is coherent and doesn't require decoding. He has no idea what he's talking about, so I point out his ignorance.
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