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Origin of Matter
June 5, 2017 at 12:26 pm
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Hi all, this is my first time posting. I'm a Christian and I want to discuss what is the origin of matter? Wouldn't the origin have to be something (1) natural, (2) nothingness/null/void, (3) supernatural, or (4) paranormal? One might argue "we don't know" which I can appreciate, but it would have to fall in one of those four categories, right? Thank you in advance for your responses to get the conversation rolling!
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RE: Origin of Matter
June 5, 2017 at 12:30 pm
I'll start with a Hello and let the more sciencie players take over.
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RE: Origin of Matter
June 5, 2017 at 1:19 pm
Minimalist, I don't think I was clear enough. I was asking if the origin of matter must be one of the four categories I listed (it doesn't need to include all of the four categories). If supernatural and paranormal are not options, then natural and nothingness/null/void would be possibilities. A better way to ask might be is there any other potential origin of matter outside a natural or nothingness/null/void origin (if supernatural and paranormal are excluded)? So, the origin of matter must be natural OR supernatural OR nothingness/null/void OR paranormal. Right? No other possibilities outside of those four (or those 2 if we exclude supernatural and paranormal).
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RE: Origin of Matter
June 5, 2017 at 1:31 pm
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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RE: Origin of Matter
June 5, 2017 at 1:33 pm
No. You can't shoehorn your god into this.
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RE: Origin of Matter
June 5, 2017 at 1:56 pm
When viewed from the proper perspective, that is, from an endless eternity in an infinite void, on average both in time and in space, then there is no matter.
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RE: Origin of Matter
June 5, 2017 at 2:06 pm
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There is no choice there is only "natural". How this occurred we don't know but we do know that whatever it was must have been natural.
Downbeat, thank you for the Hawking excerpts.
Wouldn’t matter being the origin violate the theory that matter can neither be created nor destroyed in a closed system… and only transferred across open systems? Am I incorrectly understanding that theory... I may very well be.
Additionally, if matter is the origin of matter then what is the origin of the earliest matter that ever existed… would it be infinite? Not talking about the universe or planets here, just matter itself. Thanks.
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RE: Origin of Matter
June 5, 2017 at 2:16 pm
(June 5, 2017 at 2:06 pm)RedSox Wrote: downbeatplumb
There is no choice there is only "natural". How this occurred we don't know but we do know that whatever it was must have been natural.
Downbeat, thank you for the Hawking excerpts.
Wouldn’t matter being the origin violate the theory that matter can neither be created nor destroyed in a closed system… and only transferred across open systems? Am I incorrectly understanding that theory... I may very well be.
Additionally, if matter is the origin of matter then what is the origin of the earliest matter that ever existed… would it be infinite? Not talking about the universe or planets here, just matter itself. Thanks.
What I said was that whatever the cause it would be natural.
No supernatural or paranormal thing has ever been found to actually be real when properly investigated.
Feel free to prove me wrong, but I require properly scientifically verified evidence not some vague argument.
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Origin of Matter
June 5, 2017 at 2:23 pm
(June 5, 2017 at 1:19 pm)RedSox Wrote: Minimalist, I don't think I was clear enough. I was asking if the origin of matter must be one of the four categories I listed (it doesn't need to include all of the four categories). If supernatural and paranormal are not options, then natural and nothingness/null/void would be possibilities. A better way to ask might be is there any other potential origin of matter outside a natural or nothingness/null/void origin (if supernatural and paranormal are excluded)? So, the origin of matter must be natural OR supernatural OR nothingness/null/void OR paranormal. Right? No other possibilities outside of those four (or those 2 if we exclude supernatural and paranormal).
Can you first describe what you mean by "supernatural", and "paranormal"?
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