Pedophilia Brain Defect

[brewer]

It was listed as a mental disorder, if I'm not mistaken. Psychological and neurological problems are different. For me, it's unimportant what society thinks. Science is what really decides whether there is a disorder or a person is just a sick fuck.

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Not always. In some cases it's damn hard to untangle the two and the disorder needs to be considered on a global basis.

[ignoramus]

Castration should work?
If they cannot control their urges, why would they not want this to be normal members of society again?

[brewer]

Castration should work?
If they cannot control their urges, why would they not want this to be normal members of society again?

That offer is often made (chemical) to those incarcerated as a condition of early release. It's not 100% effective and noncompliance is an issue.

[Simon Moon]

Tumor Causes pedophilia


In 2000, there was a man, after years of being in a stable marriage with no signs of pedophelia, a 40 year old man suddenly became obsessed with child porn.

His wife kicked him out of his house, and of course, he got in trouble with the law.

3 years later, doctors were convinced that his pedophilia was caused by a tumor of the right orbitalfrontal region of his brain. He also could not write, lost bladder control and his gait was effected. Once the tumor was removed, his pedophilia disappeared entirely, his gait returned to normal, and he regained bladder control.

Several years later, he noticed an interest in child porn again, When he went back to the doctors, they found his tumor returned. Again, after it was removed, his life returned to normal.


Tumor Causes pedophilia

[Minimalist]

Right temporal lobe pole and right amygdala, less of gray matter volume.

Call it the Pervert Priest Syndrome.

[Fireball]

I'm not an MD, but I have questions, and some thoughts.

Since some pedophiles were molested as children, I wonder if

a. It is hereditary
b. Molestation causes changes to the brain

You have nature and nurture that result in the make up of adult humans.

I could make a case for heredity, since the template for a person's physical make up gets laid down via genetics.

If a tumor can damage part of the brain and cause these symptoms, maybe some other physical and/or psychological stressors can cause it as well?

I will agree completely that once a pedophile offends, isolation from children should be enforced for the rest of that person's life. Doesn't mean incarceration, necessarily, just an environment where they have no access. It seems like they could be productive members of society, if kept away from victims. I just don't know the answer, there. If there was a definite genetic link, would/should we go the eugenics route, and not let a known pedophile reproduce? NOTE: I am asking for discussion purposes; I don't generally hold with eugenics, though I will say that if I had a debilitating genetic defect that I could pass on to my children, I would not reproduce. Life's tough enough without setting a person up for trouble from the start.

[Shell B]

It was listed as a mental disorder, if I'm not mistaken. Psychological and neurological problems are different. For me, it's unimportant what society thinks. Science is what really decides whether there is a disorder or a person is just a sick fuck.

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Not always. In some cases it's damn hard to untangle the two and the disorder needs to be considered on a global basis.

A disorder should be considered on a global basis anyway, but I've never heard of anything that makes it difficult to untangle the two. Just because a doctor can't find the cause doesn't mean it's not there. Sure, there are neuropsychiatric disorders (which have psychological and neurological symptoms that are easily distinguished), but a neurological disorder is not psychiatric and a psychiatric disorder is not neurological in terms of classifying the disorder. Sure, a neurological condition might present with something like depression, but again if there is a neurological cause, it's not psychiatric per se. They don't send you to a psychiatrist to treat seizures.

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I don't generally hold with eugenics, though I will say that if I had a debilitating genetic defect that I could pass on to my children, I would not reproduce. Life's tough enough without setting a person up for trouble from the start.

I don't see anything wrong with eugenics as a practice and not as an enforced rule. Why wouldn't we try to make healthier offspring? Too bad idiots reproduce everyday.

[brewer]

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Not always. In some cases it's damn hard to untangle the two and the disorder needs to be considered on a global basis.

A disorder should be considered on a global basis anyway, but I've never heard of anything that makes it difficult to untangle the two. Just because a doctor can't find the cause doesn't mean it's not there. Sure, there are neuropsychiatric disorders (which have psychological and neurological symptoms that are easily distinguished), but a neurological disorder is not psychiatric and a psychiatric disorder is not neurological in terms of classifying the disorder. Sure, a neurological condition might present with something like depression, but again if there is a neurological cause, it's not psychiatric per se. They don't send you to a psychiatrist to treat seizures.

http://www.epilepsy.com/information/prof.../treatment

[Shell B]

Um, that's about co-morbid disorders, which aren't confusing at all. Are you suggesting they can't tell the difference between depression and seizures? Are you suggesting that they send people to a psychiatrist to treat the seizures? I ask because it's obvious to me that they are sent to the psychiatrist to treat the co-morbid disorder, not the seizures. (Co-morbid means occurring together, not they're both the same thing so intermingled we can't figure it out.)

[Fireball]

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Not always. In some cases it's damn hard to untangle the two and the disorder needs to be considered on a global basis.

A disorder should be considered on a global basis anyway, but I've never heard of anything that makes it difficult to untangle the two. Just because a doctor can't find the cause doesn't mean it's not there. Sure, there are neuropsychiatric disorders (which have psychological and neurological symptoms that are easily distinguished), but a neurological disorder is not psychiatric and a psychiatric disorder is not neurological in terms of classifying the disorder. Sure, a neurological condition might present with something like depression, but again if there is a neurological cause, it's not psychiatric per se. They don't send you to a psychiatrist to treat seizures.

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I don't generally hold with eugenics, though I will say that if I had a debilitating genetic defect that I could pass on to my children, I would not reproduce. Life's tough enough without setting a person up for trouble from the start.

I don't see anything wrong with eugenics as a practice and not as an enforced rule. Why wouldn't we try to make healthier offspring? Too bad idiots reproduce everyday.

Bolding mine. They ONLY think with their gonads, maybe?