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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm
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(June 15, 2017 at 2:36 pm)LastPoet Wrote: (June 15, 2017 at 11:06 am)alpha male Wrote: Probably not.
(Bold mine)
So, there is a chance you can sacrifice your child? You know, to offer your child's life on purpose? Probably? Is that even a possibility to you? Poor boy.
Correct - I'm not going to rule out with certainty the possibility that I would do something if told to by the creator of the universe. That's a no-brainer. You guys probably picture yourselves standing up to him defiantly, when you'd likely be pissing your pants and trying to run away.
(June 15, 2017 at 2:48 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Theists seem to think that a 2000 year old book of iron age myths is real. They forget that the stories in it were first passed on by word of mouth, then written down, probably in Aramaic, then translated into Latin, then hand copied and the copies were copied.... for 2000 years.
That relates to my answer for #8. If documents predating the NT docs were found showing a progression of Jesus from simple itinerant preacher, I might question my beliefs. But we don't see that. Things like Q get tossed about so long that they're treated as if they exist, despite no real evidence - you guys should look in the mirror when you bring up #7.
Quote:They still expect us to believe this long lasting game of chinese whispers??
I don't expect you to believe anything.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 15, 2017 at 3:36 pm
(June 15, 2017 at 3:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Except there are no "first century" works.
sure there were. And we have exact copies of them that were produced in the 2nd and third centuries. We even have some BC copies of older books.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 15, 2017 at 4:01 pm
(June 15, 2017 at 2:17 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Then leave and take your quips with you. Commie douche.
No comment...just worth repeating... 
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 15, 2017 at 4:09 pm
(June 15, 2017 at 2:48 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Theists seem to think that a 2000 year old book of iron age myths is real. They forget that the stories in it were first passed on by word of mouth, then written down, probably in Aramaic, then translated into Latin, then hand copied and the copies were copied.... for 2000 years. They still expect us to believe this long lasting game of chinese whispers??
Truth has no expiration date.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 15, 2017 at 8:56 pm
(June 15, 2017 at 3:36 pm)Drich Wrote: (June 15, 2017 at 3:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Except there are no "first century" works.
sure there were. And we have exact copies of them that were produced in the 2nd and third centuries. We even have some BC copies of older books.
You have to forgive Minimalist. He probably doesn't even know that the "Q" theory has been largely discarded. He's stuck in the scholarship of 40 years ago. That's what left-wing fascism does; it makes people braindead posers.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 15, 2017 at 10:08 pm
Wow - just feeling the xtian love absolutely oozing through the screen lately.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 16, 2017 at 2:45 am
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(June 15, 2017 at 11:13 am)alpha male Wrote: The other provisions mentioned are just in the law, and so only apply to Israel. This isn't a difficult concept. I don't know why skeptics struggle so much with it.
Jesus was very clear: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
It is a simple concept that it's only for Israel because Jesus said he was only here for the Jews and you're not a Jew so Jesus is not for you.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 16, 2017 at 4:41 am
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(June 15, 2017 at 2:22 pm)Drich Wrote: Who says all slavery is bad? Our society currently was built on and is completely supported by the modern day equilivant of slavery. Now just because we call our version of slavery something different, does not make one bound in slavery any different than those who came before. Only real difference is that in Jesus' day there were rules protecting slaves, now not so much as they are not considered slaves no more. So the moral judgement here is if a slave is treated well and according to the law then slavery can indeed be a good thing for the slave and the one who owns them. Now before you come off 1/2 cocked understand and maybe look up the difference between chattle slavery and just slavery Believe it or not most of you idiots have been preprogramed to unload at the mentioning of the word slave. The more you understand the word the more you see it everyday and the most you will accept that your very life hings on modern day slaves. So like the bible points out not all slavery is evil.
Sure, so what do you say Dirch you want to be my slave? I'll treat you just like the Bible commands. I'll beat you up every day, since slave can be pummeled almost to death as long as he/she survives "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property". (Exodus 21:20–21). For the very first day I'll give you a shiner, but since I'm so good I'll let you pick underneath which eye you want, but don't worry your eye will be safe because although there is certainly nothing wrong with beating you up as long as you don't lose any body parts "An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth." Exodus 21:26–27
So you'll have bruises and broken bones since they are tolerable violence since you said "slavery can indeed be a good thing", so what are you waiting for?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 16, 2017 at 6:01 am
(June 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm)alpha male Wrote: (June 15, 2017 at 2:36 pm)LastPoet Wrote: (Bold mine)
So, there is a chance you can sacrifice your child? You know, to offer your child's life on purpose? Probably? Is that even a possibility to you? Poor boy.
Correct - I'm not going to rule out with certainty the possibility that I would do something if told to by the creator of the universe. That's a no-brainer. You guys probably picture yourselves standing up to him defiantly, when you'd likely be pissing your pants and trying to run away.
Notice how, in the running and pissing pants theory of atheist encounters with a god..there's still no child sacrifice?
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
June 16, 2017 at 7:52 am
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(June 16, 2017 at 6:01 am)Khemikal Wrote: (June 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm)alpha male Wrote: Correct - I'm not going to rule out with certainty the possibility that I would do something if told to by the creator of the universe. That's a no-brainer. You guys probably picture yourselves standing up to him defiantly, when you'd likely be pissing your pants and trying to run away.
Notice how, in the running and pissing pants theory of atheist encounters with a god..there's still no child sacrifice?
Yes. Notice how, in the account of Abraham which inspired this question...there wasn't any child sacrifice?
(June 16, 2017 at 2:45 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (June 15, 2017 at 11:13 am)alpha male Wrote: The other provisions mentioned are just in the law, and so only apply to Israel. This isn't a difficult concept. I don't know why skeptics struggle so much with it.
Jesus was very clear: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
It is a simple concept that it's only for Israel because Jesus said he was only here for the Jews and you're not a Jew so Jesus is not for you.
Yes, Jesus was clear: 24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” You seem to understand this yourself, so I don't get what your problem is. We can learn about God from reading all of Scripture, but not all commands found in Scripture applies to every person reading it.
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