Did humanity just cross that line?

[vorlon13]

And you're not stepping up to the plate because . . . . ?


Mark 16:18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

[The Grand Nudger]

 You need to prove these statements. Yes there are millionaire preachers that live in mansions. There are no churches that have football stadium sized auditoriums they do have high-tech sound systems and they have bands unpaid bands. how do you know what churches pay out for the needy. The Southern Baptist World Relief Organization is the third largest in the world only behind the Red Cross and Salvation Army, all three are Christian based and do more than any one country in disaster relief.

Combine all of your bullshit christer tax scams that offer "help" and they get crushed collectively by a single body.  The US of A.  Murica!  

There's your "atheist relief system"...puttin in a scoche more than .001 of 1%, so go fuck yourself and stop skeezing money from godless secular organizations.

[The Valkyrie]

 You need to prove these statements. Yes there are millionaire preachers that live in mansions. There are no churches that have football stadium sized auditoriums they do have high-tech sound systems and they have bands unpaid bands. how do you know what churches pay out for the needy. The Southern Baptist World Relief Organization is the third largest in the world only behind the Red Cross and Salvation Army, all three are Christian based and do more than any one country in disaster relief.

Combine all of your bullshit christer tax scams that offer "help" and they get crushed collectively by a single body.  The US of A.  Murica!  

There's your "atheist relief system"...puttin in a scoche more than .001 of 1%, so go fuck yourself and stop skeezing money from godless secular organizations.

For a moment there I thought I was reading Min!

Well done!

What is often forgotten, with these religious charities, and I've heard a number of cases of this happening, is that they use the desperation of the needy people to push their religion on them.  "Here's some food, but before we eat it we're going to read from the bible..."

Conditional charity is NOT charity.

I also hear a lot of arguments from religious people saying, "Why don't we see atheist charities?"

We do.  But most atheists I know who give to charity to help overseas people give either through UN based charities or religious ones.  Why?  Because they have the infrastructure the atheists charities currently do not.

[The Grand Nudger]

They have the infrastructure that -religious- charities don't.  I mean, I just heard some batshit baptist bullshit us about the red cross..but did he forget that the red cross somehow managed to collect half a billion dollars for haiti and rebuilt all of six (as in 6) homes with it?  They failed (and lied, to the tune of 160k homes...that's what they claimed) so horribly and so publicly that they gave whatever was left of the money (an amount they won't disclose)..to secular ngo's who were better at doing what they pretended to have done.  That's the ironic bit, the red cross (and the southern baptist b league-ers) count their effectiveness by money collected (often enough from the US of A...again)..not in aid handed out. Gee, what a nice church. Too bad the parishioners are starving.

Worthless.

It's a good thing that there's no christer god..because if there were, there'd be a special place in hell for these people.

[Godscreated]

 You need to prove these statements. Yes there are millionaire preachers that live in mansions. There are no churches that have football stadium sized auditoriums they do have high-tech sound systems and they have bands unpaid bands. how do you know what churches pay out for the needy. The Southern Baptist World Relief Organization is the third largest in the world only behind the Red Cross and Salvation Army, all three are Christian based and do more than any one country in disaster relief.

Combine all of your bullshit christer tax scams that offer "help" and they get crushed collectively by a single body.  The US of A.  Murica!  

There's your "atheist relief system"...puttin in a scoche more than .001 of 1%, so go fuck yourself and stop skeezing money from godless secular organizations.

Do I detect a small amount of jealousy, no, no it's a huge amount of jealousy. Jefferson sided with the Christians and other religious churches and you can't stand it. Just simmer down no need to get bent out of shape.

GC

[The Grand Nudger]

That's your brilliant retort to being exposed, yet again, as a liar for christ?  That I'm jealous...of what?  Of all that grifty third rate "charity"?

[Godscreated]

What is often forgotten, with these religious charities, and I've heard a number of cases of this happening, is that they use the desperation of the needy people to push their religion on them.  "Here's some food, but before we eat it we're going to read from the bible..."

Conditional charity is NOT charity.

 You are using hearsay, here's a fact for you. One of the men I use to attend church with and who spent a lot of out of pocket money in Haiti for food, medicine and even cars so people could get around better in the service of the poor. He told me that people must first be feed and shown that you have their interest at heart before they will listen to anything someone has to say. So no, there is no conditional charity, it's serving God by serving those to whom God sends us. Missionaries have to raise there own funds to go into the field that isn't a bill the churches pay, there's a reason for it but you probably wouldn't care or understand. Raising the money to travel to other countries takes a great amount of time and effort on their part, missionaries sacrifice much to help others and you think lowly of them, sad. Missionaries often sale their homes and most their worldly belongings to serve and when they come back home for a rest they must depend on others to help them, giving them a place to stay and food, it's one of the most difficult lives one could live and most of the rewards they receive come from the thanks of the people they serve and possibly a small gift. Then there is whatever God does for them. These people risk their lives in service of others and they are the real heroes on the real front lines. The modern day church has built schools and educated more people than many countries have. God sends us to the down trodden because He came and lived and die for the down trodden. We care about others because it's what our Savior has done for us.

GC

[The Grand Nudger]

You must be using the word education as a term of art..and...what countries, third rate shitholes?  The modern church has indoctrinated more people than third rate shitholes have educated?  Wow, what an accomplishment.  

Yes, missionaries are worthless.  Maybe they should drop the god nonsense and just go help people?  Course, then, they wouldn't be missionaries..they;d just be volunteer relief workers, like the armies of volunteer relief workers that legitimate relief organizations field with regularity and none of the usual christian scamminess.

[drfuzzy]

[Anomalocaris]

He doesn't look like he is so starved that he would have no use for toilet paper.