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RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 15, 2017 at 9:06 am
(July 14, 2017 at 10:57 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: (July 14, 2017 at 9:25 pm)Godscreated Wrote: It was illogical from start to finish, no need to point anything out. I've encountered enough from atheist to know what they do and don't mean, it was purposeful. When you grow up around here you'll see.
GC
You still have not shown how it was illogical (because it wasn't, you're just lying again). Your statement here is illogical though. You say you have encountered some atheists so now you know how they all think. This is called a faulty generalization. I can't say I know how you think just because I've known a lot of Christians in my life.
That is interesting Ink.
As a theist in the past I also did the mistake to generalize about atheists.
I thought that they were all the same.
Now I know that not all of them think that the universe pop up as per magic but at the same time i keep on reading here in this forum that too many atheists think that what is written in the so called holy books or what religions say is what God mean which of course there is no evidence that that is the case.
Actually I still have to see any atheists that do not think that holy books and religions do not or may not represent God but I am sure that there are around.
Do you know any?
One more question about HASTY GENERALIZATION like permanent death that so many atheists strongly believe.
They say.........when you die is all over.
Even in this case I still have to see any atheists that think that life may continue after the physical death.
Do you know any atheist that think that life may or will continue after the physical death?
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RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 15, 2017 at 10:16 am
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(July 15, 2017 at 9:06 am)Little Rik Wrote: (July 14, 2017 at 10:57 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: You still have not shown how it was illogical (because it wasn't, you're just lying again). Your statement here is illogical though. You say you have encountered some atheists so now you know how they all think. This is called a faulty generalization. I can't say I know how you think just because I've known a lot of Christians in my life.
That is interesting Ink.
As a theist in the past I also did the mistake to generalize about atheists.
I thought that they were all the same.
Now I know that not all of them think that the universe pop up as per magic but at the same time i keep on reading here in this forum that too many atheists think that what is written in the so called holy books or what religions say is what God mean which of course there is no evidence that that is the case.
Actually I still have to see any atheists that do not think that holy books and religions do not or may not represent God but I am sure that there are around.
Do you know any?
One more question about HASTY GENERALIZATION like permanent death that so many atheists strongly believe.
They say.........when you die is all over.
Even in this case I still have to see any atheists that think that life may continue after the physical death.
Do you know any atheist that think that life may or will continue after the physical death?
Wow, I don't think I've ever had to do so much work to decipher what someone was saying. And I follow an Icelandic guy on Facebook :/ I would suggest looking up some resources on proper English grammar, since your's looks less lazy and more like you just don't quite understand it. It will make it easier to understand your points, and there will be fewer misunderstandings in our arguments
But, to your points, we don't think that what is in the religious books is what god means. We don't believe in god, so why would we? What we are doing is similar to the Devil's Advocated exercise. Let's talk specifically about Christians. They come on here believing that the Bible is true. So we play along, pointing out the contradictions, logical fallacies, etc. In essence saying "if your god actually does exist, he's pretty bad at this." We are not saying the holy books represent a god if one exists, we are saying that the holy books represents the idea of god that a religion has. And so we use them to argue against the religion and it's specific god.
As for death, no one knows what happens when you die. It might be that an eternal hell is all that exists and there is no god to save us from it. Or we might just lose consciousness, like slipping into a coma. Maybe when our atoms are rearranged into a new living creature our consciousness will return and we'll live again. Some of these are silly I know, but the point is we have no way of studying what happens after we die.
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RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 15, 2017 at 7:36 pm
(July 15, 2017 at 12:47 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 12:31 am)Godscreated Wrote: My generalization wasn't faulty and I did not say anything about encountering atheist, it is what they have posted to me and other Christians here. You may not be able to read between the lines when people are trying to hide things but I can.
GC
Your generalization was indeed faulty, you essentially accused them of "hiding things" because of your encounters with atheists on this forum. Rather than actually demonstrate it based on their post's contents. You still haven't explained how the post was illogical by the way. You have claimed it is multiple times with no evidence to back it up. Baseless assertions seem to be a pattern with you.
I'm done with your childish logic on this matter. When you grow up you will see.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 15, 2017 at 8:29 pm
(July 15, 2017 at 7:36 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 12:47 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: Your generalization was indeed faulty, you essentially accused them of "hiding things" because of your encounters with atheists on this forum. Rather than actually demonstrate it based on their post's contents. You still haven't explained how the post was illogical by the way. You have claimed it is multiple times with no evidence to back it up. Baseless assertions seem to be a pattern with you.
I'm done with your childish logic on this matter. When you grow up you will see.
GC
Kind of funny you say that since your post is quite childish, and you still haven't backed up any of your claims.
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RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 16, 2017 at 12:36 am
(July 15, 2017 at 10:16 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 9:06 am)Little Rik Wrote: That is interesting Ink.
As a theist in the past I also did the mistake to generalize about atheists.
I thought that they were all the same.
Now I know that not all of them think that the universe pop up as per magic but at the same time i keep on reading here in this forum that too many atheists think that what is written in the so called holy books or what religions say is what God mean which of course there is no evidence that that is the case.
Actually I still have to see any atheists that do not think that holy books and religions do not or may not represent God but I am sure that there are around.
Do you know any?
One more question about HASTY GENERALIZATION like permanent death that so many atheists strongly believe.
They say.........when you die is all over.
Even in this case I still have to see any atheists that think that life may continue after the physical death.
Do you know any atheist that think that life may or will continue after the physical death?
Wow, I don't think I've ever had to do so much work to decipher what someone was saying. And I follow an Icelandic guy on Facebook :/ I would suggest looking up some resources on proper English grammar, since your's looks less lazy and more like you just don't quite understand it. It will make it easier to understand your points, and there will be fewer misunderstandings in our arguments
But, to your points, we don't think that what is in the religious books is what god means. We don't believe in god, so why would we? What we are doing is similar to the Devil's Advocated exercise. Let's talk specifically about Christians. They come on here believing that the Bible is true. So we play along, pointing out the contradictions, logical fallacies, etc. In essence saying "if your god actually does exist, he's pretty bad at this." We are not saying the holy books represent a god if one exists, we are saying that the holy books represents the idea of god that a religion has. And so we use them to argue against the religion and it's specific god.
As for death, no one knows what happens when you die. It might be that an eternal hell is all that exists and there is no god to save us from it. Or we might just lose consciousness, like slipping into a coma. Maybe when our atoms are rearranged into a new living creature our consciousness will return and we'll live again. Some of these are silly I know, but the point is we have no way of studying what happens after we die.
Rik intuits what happens after death, scientifically. I know, I know. Breathtakingly stupid but hey, rationality is a choice .. one Rik chooses not to make.
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RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 16, 2017 at 3:00 am
(July 16, 2017 at 12:36 am)Whateverist Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 10:16 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: Wow, I don't think I've ever had to do so much work to decipher what someone was saying. And I follow an Icelandic guy on Facebook :/ I would suggest looking up some resources on proper English grammar, since your's looks less lazy and more like you just don't quite understand it. It will make it easier to understand your points, and there will be fewer misunderstandings in our arguments
But, to your points, we don't think that what is in the religious books is what god means. We don't believe in god, so why would we? What we are doing is similar to the Devil's Advocated exercise. Let's talk specifically about Christians. They come on here believing that the Bible is true. So we play along, pointing out the contradictions, logical fallacies, etc. In essence saying "if your god actually does exist, he's pretty bad at this." We are not saying the holy books represent a god if one exists, we are saying that the holy books represents the idea of god that a religion has. And so we use them to argue against the religion and it's specific god.
As for death, no one knows what happens when you die. It might be that an eternal hell is all that exists and there is no god to save us from it. Or we might just lose consciousness, like slipping into a coma. Maybe when our atoms are rearranged into a new living creature our consciousness will return and we'll live again. Some of these are silly I know, but the point is we have no way of studying what happens after we die.
Rik intuits what happens after death, scientifically. I know, I know. Breathtakingly stupid but hey, rationality is a choice .. one Rik chooses not to make.
What is rationality Whatever?
You tell me.
Is thinking that the universe pop up as per magic and nobody run it or to think that behind such a complex
universe there is a mind and a big one as well?
Is rationality to think that our consciousness pop up as per magic thanks to previous generations or the so called evolution of the species or that we build that up through many reincarnation and hard work?
You guys are incredible.
One moment you believe in magic, the next moment you claim that you are rational.
How can you believe in two opposite beliefs?
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RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 16, 2017 at 9:43 am
(July 15, 2017 at 10:16 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 9:06 am)Little Rik Wrote: That is interesting Ink.
As a theist in the past I also did the mistake to generalize about atheists.
I thought that they were all the same.
Now I know that not all of them think that the universe pop up as per magic but at the same time i keep on reading here in this forum that too many atheists think that what is written in the so called holy books or what religions say is what God mean which of course there is no evidence that that is the case.
Actually I still have to see any atheists that do not think that holy books and religions do not or may not represent God but I am sure that there are around.
Do you know any?
One more question about HASTY GENERALIZATION like permanent death that so many atheists strongly believe.
They say.........when you die is all over.
Even in this case I still have to see any atheists that think that life may continue after the physical death.
Do you know any atheist that think that life may or will continue after the physical death?
Wow, I don't think I've ever had to do so much work to decipher what someone was saying. And I follow an Icelandic guy on Facebook :/ I would suggest looking up some resources on proper English grammar, since your's looks less lazy and more like you just don't quite understand it. It will make it easier to understand your points, and there will be fewer misunderstandings in our arguments
I am so sorry for my terrible English.
The next time I get born I will born in an English speaking country so i will not give any more headache to anyone.
This is a promise Ink.
Quote:But, to your points, we don't think that what is in the religious books is what god means. We don't believe in god, so why would we? What we are doing is similar to the Devil's Advocated exercise. Let's talk specifically about Christians. They come on here believing that the Bible is true. So we play along, pointing out the contradictions, logical fallacies, etc. In essence saying "if your god actually does exist, he's pretty bad at this." We are not saying the holy books represent a god if one exists, we are saying that the holy books represents the idea of god that a religion has. And so we use them to argue against the religion and it's specific god.
I only wish that atheists stop relating God to religions or the other way around and start to understand that God did not start religions nor that He may agree with what religions say.
This forum is full full of example in which atheists think that religions represent God.
Quote:As for death, no one knows what happens when you die. It might be that an eternal hell is all that exists and there is no god to save us from it. Or we might just lose consciousness, like slipping into a coma. Maybe when our atoms are rearranged into a new living creature our consciousness will return and we'll live again. Some of these are silly I know, but the point is we have no way of studying what happens after we die.
That is not true Ink.
NDEs are real experiences about the other dimension with God.
An old saying............NOBODY CAME BACK FROM DEATH TO TELL US THERE IS AN AFTERLIFE.....
WRONG.
NDEs can tell us this.
Even Jesus came back to life and this was witnessed by thousand.
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RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 16, 2017 at 10:50 am
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2017 at 10:52 am by Inkfeather132.)
(July 16, 2017 at 9:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: (July 15, 2017 at 10:16 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: Wow, I don't think I've ever had to do so much work to decipher what someone was saying. And I follow an Icelandic guy on Facebook :/ I would suggest looking up some resources on proper English grammar, since your's looks less lazy and more like you just don't quite understand it. It will make it easier to understand your points, and there will be fewer misunderstandings in our arguments
I am so sorry for my terrible English.
The next time I get born I will born in an English speaking country so i will not give any more headache to anyone.
This is a promise Ink.
Quote:But, to your points, we don't think that what is in the religious books is what god means. We don't believe in god, so why would we? What we are doing is similar to the Devil's Advocated exercise. Let's talk specifically about Christians. They come on here believing that the Bible is true. So we play along, pointing out the contradictions, logical fallacies, etc. In essence saying "if your god actually does exist, he's pretty bad at this." We are not saying the holy books represent a god if one exists, we are saying that the holy books represents the idea of god that a religion has. And so we use them to argue against the religion and it's specific god.
I only wish that atheists stop relating God to religions or the other way around and start to understand that God did not start religions nor that He may agree with what religions say.
This forum is full full of example in which atheists think that religions represent God.
Quote:As for death, no one knows what happens when you die. It might be that an eternal hell is all that exists and there is no god to save us from it. Or we might just lose consciousness, like slipping into a coma. Maybe when our atoms are rearranged into a new living creature our consciousness will return and we'll live again. Some of these are silly I know, but the point is we have no way of studying what happens after we die.
That is not true Ink.
NDEs are real experiences about the other dimension with God.
An old saying............NOBODY CAME BACK FROM DEATH TO TELL US THERE IS AN AFTERLIFE.....
WRONG.
NDEs can tell us this.
Even Jesus came back to life and this was witnessed by thousand.
Notice I mentioned following an Icelandic guy on Facebook? He's got great English, you don't have to be born in an English speaking country you just have to put some work into learning the language. Not being great at English doesn't make you inferior and I wasn't implying that. What I meant was that in order to have a proper conversation with less misunderstandings you need a better grasp of the language you are arguing in. It might be better for you to find an atheist forum in your native language and start a conversation there. I know a little Japanese, but I would never go onto a Japanese Christian forum to argue when I'm not fluent in the language.
Again, if you want to argue about a god separate from religion then let's do so. But most concepts/ideas of god come from religions and religious people, and so that's what we argue about. I'm fine discussing the possibility of a god who is not defined by any known religions. But then what defines it? What defines god for you?
Near Death Experiences are called near for a reason. The person was not dead, just very close to death. Close enough that they are considered clinically dead. As was mentioned before, no one has come back to life after being dead for days, or having their heads cut off. Jesus doesn't count because the only account of people witnessing his death is the Bible, which invented the character of Jesus in the first place. As has also been explained to you, no one can verify that they actually experienced anything. We can verify their clinical death, but not what went on in their heads. For instance, I can tell you that last night I dreamed of unicorns in a land of candy. And you must believe me because I have witnesses who verify I went to sleep last night and woke up this morning.
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RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 16, 2017 at 8:53 pm
Um, I don't know what's going on above, but as to the question that started this thread..
...I am truly a god. I have created life and pushed it according to my will; Whole universes have sprung up from my mind, with countries and histories and unique fauna. My creations follow my will, but they still sometimes find ways to surprise me; for even I, their creator and the one ultimately in control of their life, cannot fully control them. And you cannot deny any of this. Why?
Because I am a writer. Everything I just said is 100% true, which makes me a rather impotent, asocial, and insecure god.
"I hate people who blame the Devil for their own shortcomings and I hate people who thank God when things go right."
Voltaire.
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RE: Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god?
July 17, 2017 at 12:25 am
(July 16, 2017 at 8:53 pm)RedgraveStorm Wrote: Um, I don't know what's going on above, but as to the question that started this thread..
...I am truly a god. I have created life and pushed it according to my will; Whole universes have sprung up from my mind, with countries and histories and unique fauna. My creations follow my will, but they still sometimes find ways to surprise me; for even I, their creator and the one ultimately in control of their life, cannot fully control them. And you cannot deny any of this. Why?
Because I am a writer. Everything I just said is 100% true, which makes me a rather impotent, asocial, and insecure god.
Ever see Stranger Than Fiction? I mean, I like your analogy, but when you really look at it, it's kind of impossible not to see the writer/god character as an asshole (and as a writer myself, it's not a pleasant thought) so it's no coincidence when you look at the concept of gods objectively, they look like douchebags.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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