The Official "Damned Trump" Thread

[downbeatplumb]

Because it doesn't matter that he classified it, declassified it, or shoved it up his bum and round the corner.  The classification of the transcript isn't the issue.  The issue is that it was put into a server for which things like this are not intended (and I doubt very much that Trump had a hand in doing that). 

If the transcript was classified, all well and good.  Classify it til the cows come home.  But when the transcript is hidden in a server intended and used for extremely sensitive national security issues (which, at the time, this wasn't), it becomes a cover up. 

Boru

ROTFLMAO


Seriously -- think about what you just said.


When something is assigned a security classification - it must be stored in a method that is appropriate to that classification.

If they classified it Secret and kept it with all the unclassified voice transcripts.-- THEN there would be a problem.

The issue as I understand it is that the transcript should be accessible for scrutiny and that by putting it in the server it effectively hid the document away from the oversight which was the reason for keeping it in the first place.

Its hiding your failed patients hospital records under the carpet. (I worked in a hospital, this happened, a Dr did that).

[onlinebiker]

ROTFLMAO


Seriously -- think about what you just said.


When something is assigned a security classification - it must be stored in a method that is appropriate to that classification.

If they classified it Secret and kept it with all the unclassified voice transcripts.-- THEN there would be a problem.

The issue as I understand it is that the transcript should be accessible for scrutiny and that by putting it in the server it effectively hid the document away from the oversight which was the reason for keeping it in the first place.

Its hiding your failed patients hospital records under the carpet. (I worked in a hospital, this happened, a Dr did that).

Sorry. I contend you simply don't have experience with classified information.

As I see it - Trump's detractors are playing the same game Trump in playing with the accusations that Hunter Biden was up to something illegal (which does not seem to be the case - shady perhaps - but not illegal).

They are accusing Trump of something shady ( using his legal ability to classify something he wants hidden) - but knowing it's not actually illegal.

Ultimately it's all political posturing - and of no real significance.

Of course I could be wrong. I don't have access to all the evidence.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Because it doesn't matter that he classified it, declassified it, or shoved it up his bum and round the corner.  The classification of the transcript isn't the issue.  The issue is that it was put into a server for which things like this are not intended (and I doubt very much that Trump had a hand in doing that). 

If the transcript was classified, all well and good.  Classify it til the cows come home.  But when the transcript is hidden in a server intended and used for extremely sensitive national security issues (which, at the time, this wasn't), it becomes a cover up. 

Boru

ROTFLMAO


Seriously -- think about what you just said.


When something is assigned a security classification - it must be stored in a method that is appropriate to that classification.

If they classified it Secret and kept it with all the unclassified voice transcripts.-- THEN there would be a problem.

You're missing the point.  It was classified and stored appropriately.  It was then moved without being reclassified to a more secure server.  We know it wasn't reclassified because Trump did not direct the move.  It was moved, without his knowledge or direction, on the orders of White House lawyers.

The best that can be said is that the current administration is disturbingly sloppy when it comes to handling classified material.  The worst that can be said is that WH staffers have orchestrated a cover-up which the president now knows about and has declined to repudiate.

Boru

[onlinebiker]

ROTFLMAO


Seriously -- think about what you just said.


When something is assigned a security classification - it must be stored in a method that is appropriate to that classification.

If they classified it Secret and kept it with all the unclassified voice transcripts.-- THEN there would be a problem.

You're missing the point.  It was classified and stored appropriately.  It was then moved without being reclassified to a more secure server.  We know it wasn't reclassified because Trump did not direct the move.  It was moved, without his knowledge or direction, on the orders of White House lawyers.

The best that can be said is that the current administration is disturbingly sloppy when it comes to handling classified material.  The worst that can be said is that WH staffers have orchestrated a cover-up which the president now knows about and has declined to repudiate.

Boru

I don't think so.

Here's why - any unit or agency that handles classified material has storage on site that limits the class of material they can have.

Example - if security is low - they may only be able to receive and store only up to material rated confidential- the lowest rating.

If security is high enough - they will be able recieve and store up to Top Secret - the highest. (Codeword classification is different from security classification and may require higher levels of security)

If you are at a facility that has Top Secret capability -- ALL materials will be stored in this area - including any lower classified material or information - or even unclassified items that are needed in that area. It is totally permissible to store lower classification things in an area cleared for higher classified material. But not the other way around.

As the White House has TS facilities - anything classified - down to Confidential - would be stored in a common area. They simply don't have segregated storage for classified material.

Of course I an extrapolating for digital data - which didn't exist as such when I held my clearance. But I'm sure it applies the same as how data on paper is stored.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You're missing the point.  It was classified and stored appropriately.  It was then moved without being reclassified to a more secure server.  We know it wasn't reclassified because Trump did not direct the move.  It was moved, without his knowledge or direction, on the orders of White House lawyers.

The best that can be said is that the current administration is disturbingly sloppy when it comes to handling classified material.  The worst that can be said is that WH staffers have orchestrated a cover-up which the president now knows about and has declined to repudiate.

Boru

I don't think so.

Here's why - any unit or agency that handles classified material has storage on site that limits the class of material they can have.

Example - if security is low - they may only be able to receive and store only up to material rated confidential- the lowest rating.

If security is high enough - they will be able recieve and store up to Top Secret - the highest. (Codeword classification is different from security classification and may require higher levels of security)

If you are at a facility that has Top Secret capability -- ALL materials will be stored in this area - including any lower classified material or information - or even unclassified items that are needed in that area. It is totally permissible to store lower classification things in an area cleared for higher classified material. But not the other way around.

As the White House has TS facilities - anything classified - down to Confidential - would be stored in a common area. They simply don't have segregated storage for classified material.

Of course I an extrapolating for digital data - which didn't exist as such when I held my clearance. But I'm sure it applies the same as how data on paper is stored.

Then why was it moved?

Boru

[onlinebiker]

I don't think so.

Here's why - any unit or agency that handles classified material has storage on site that limits the class of material they can have.

Example - if security is low - they may only be able to receive and store only up to material rated confidential- the lowest rating.

If security is high enough - they will be able recieve and store up to Top Secret - the highest. (Codeword classification is different from security classification and may require higher levels of security)

If you are at a facility that has Top Secret capability -- ALL materials will be stored in this area - including any lower classified material or information - or even unclassified items that are needed in that area. It is totally permissible to store lower classification things in an area cleared for higher classified material. But not the other way around.

As the White House has TS facilities - anything classified - down to Confidential - would be stored in a common area. They simply don't have segregated storage for classified material.

Of course I an extrapolating for digital data - which didn't exist as such when I held my clearance. But I'm sure it applies the same as how data on paper is stored.

Then why was it moved?

Boru

Dunno. Frequently the press gets such things wrong.

It might have originally ( and probably was) classified as FOUO. ( for official use only) and then upgraded to a secure classification. FOUO isn't required to be kept in a secure location (such as a safe) - it just means you are not allowed to diseminate the information.

If this was the case it could be kept in any unsecure storage. An unlocked file cabinet for instance.

When it got classified - it would need to be moved to a secure location - such as a locked safe. I doubt they have separate storage facilities - physical or electronic - for Confidential, Secret or Top Secret information. All would be kept in the same place. That's how it was always done years back.

Again  - I am extrapolating from what I know from the paper era.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"[A] seven-page Nancy Drew novel."
-- WH senior adviser Steven Miller on whistleblower complaint

"Liddle Adam Schiff."
-- Trump on chairman of House Intelligence Committee

"Nancy Pelosi finally capitulated to her angry mob. She does the worst thing a woman in power can do, which is she just changes her mind because the men around her said 'Change your mind.'"
-- WH counselor Kellyanne Conway

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

"[A] seven-page Nancy Drew novel."
-- WH senior adviser Steven Miller on whistleblower complaint

"Liddle Adam Schiff."
-- Trump on chairman of House Intelligence Committee

"Nancy Pelosi finally capitulated to her angry mob. She does the worst thing a woman in power can do, which is she just changes her mind because the men around her said 'Change your mind.'"
-- WH counselor Kellyanne Conway

'Miller, Trump, and Conway deserve each other.' - BrianSoddingBoru4

Boru

[EgoDeath]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t...SKBN1WF0DN

Oh my.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I went to bed after the polls closed on the last US presidential election feeling very good. Didn't turn out right. I'll wait until the body is in the ground this time.