How old is the Earth?

[Anomalocaris]

The genesis story is so contemptible that those who live in a developed country in 21st century and still believe it must indeed have had a separate evolutionary history less than 6000 years long.

[everythingafter]

How old you think the Earth is.

6,000-10,000 years.

Why you think this.

Because that's what pastors say and what the Bible seems to suggest and they can't possibly be in error.

What presuppositions you had before examining the evidence and making your conclusions.

Read some stuff from that Answers in Genesis website. That's a good source, right?

[Welsh cake]

You did not understand what I was talking about. I was talking about your absolute claim that there is no such thing as absolutes. It's like a man saying, "I can only tell lies"- that is a self-refuting claim for obvious reasons.

Nice try using logic to disprove the statement, although like a square circle, absolute knowledge as a concept exists but in reality it is unattainable, an impractical pursuit to say the least.

To achieve absolute knowledge, final certainty, is to achieve omniscience, to achieve omniscience is to achieve the capacity to know everything infinitely, infinity cannot be achieved or realised in the real world because it is a man-made abstract concept.

Truth and knowledge exist, yes. While we seek to uncover truths about our universe, absolute truth is an unrealistic goal, for while we can develop a description of reality of varying accuracy no description can ever be absolutely inaccurate or absolutely accurate.

Which questions would you like answered?

I answered your three in the OP, its only fair you answer mine.

[Anomalocaris]

What is the value of omniscience? To be truly omniscient you must have absolutely no power whatsoever to effect any change on anything, for otherwise you would falsify your own omniscience. Omniscience is but an abstraction of a childish, unreasoned, and self contradictory, but very human, form of ambition.

The same, childish, unreasoned, and self contradictory, could be said of any faith that attribute such features to a specific entity.

[Loki_999]

More Wiki citing? *sigh*. The article says that Brontosaurus never exised "the obsolate synonym brontosaurus". I didn't answer the question becuase..

a. It's obvious the person who asked the question didn't know basic information about Dinosaurs.
b. This thread is not about the Ark, it's about the age of the Earth. If you want to start an Ark thread go ahead. Don't clog up my thread with that though.

ok, wiki isn't always an authorotive source, but its always a good place for basic information and it has citations which can be followed.

So,

a) You didn't answer because the other person (me in this case) is apparently ignorant.... well, i thought you were trying to enlighten us.
b) This thread is about the age of the earth, and i would have thought dinosaurs living millions of years ago would be pretty relevant.
c) As i said, even if you are right about the brontosaurus, then we can always pick other dinosaurs, one you may accept as being a true dinosaur.

I think you know that as soon as you start talking about dinosaurs the whole forum will simply collapse into a black hole of illogic when you start to explain about dinosaurs being on the ark, or not being on the ark or whatever your particular brand of YEC dogma you subscribe to.

But that's ok, i'll start a new thread for this topic.

Done: http://atheistforums.org/thread-5068.html

[Justtristo]

How old you think the Earth is.

4.54 billion years (+/- 45.4 million years)

Why you think this.

Radiometric dating done on rocks, the oldest rocks found on earth date 4.4 billion years and metorites have been dated to around 4.6 billion years.

What presuppositions you had before examining the evidence and making your conclusions.

For as long as I can remember I believed the earth was old and accepted the scientific evidence for the age when it was presented to me in a school textbook. Radiometric dating is a very tried and tested method if you want to how old something is, as long as you use the right method for the material. For instance Uranium-lead dating method is useless when you want to date recent eurpted lava, because of the margin or error which is like 2 million years.

[God]

Old would refer to time. Let alone time that has already past, which should not be of concern.

[Zen Badger]

Old would refer to time. Let alone time that has already past, which should not be of concern.

What does this even mean???

[God]

haha

Old would refer to time. Let alone time that has already past, which should not be of concern.

What does this even mean???

[ib.me.ub]

Old would refer to time. Let alone time that has already past, which should not be of concern.

It should be of no concern, but the church thinks it is.