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Does the Higgs Boson Enforce the CCosmic Speed Limit
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RE: Does the Higgs Boson Enforce the CCosmic Speed Limit
(July 22, 2017 at 7:14 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: I definitely gotta read this. First, what is QCD? Do you think the discovery of the higgs boson 3 years later wold have influenced his findings?
QCD is Quantum Chromodynamics, the theory how gluons mediate the strong interaction between quarks.

I was just posting it to show that people actually think about such things, the article is not written for general audience and probably pretty incomprehensible to non-experts apart from some of the introduction and conclusion.
I don't think the discovery changed those findingd much. All they had to assume for their hypothetical world is that neither the Higgs field nor an alternative exist.
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RE: Does the Higgs Boson Enforce the CCosmic Speed Limit
(July 23, 2017 at 7:45 am)Alex K Wrote:
(July 22, 2017 at 7:14 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: I definitely gotta read this. First, what is QCD? Do you think the discovery of the higgs boson 3 years later wold have influenced his findings?
QCD is Quantum Chromodynamics, the theory how gluons mediate the strong interaction between quarks.

I was just posting it to show that people actually think about such things, the article is not written for general audience and probably pretty incomprehensible to non-experts apart from some of the introduction and conclusion.
I don't think the discovery changed those findingd much. All they had to assume for their hypothetical world is that neither the Higgs field nor an alternative exist.
This brings up something that puzzles me, though it's not related to the op, since we pretty much said all we need to about that, I feel safe following this digression.

I understand that gluons mediate the strong force and W and Z bosons mediate the weak force. But I've read in more than one article that by mediating the electron/neutrino/positron transformations, the W bosons cause nuclear transmutation. How can that be? How can transforming the electrons (weak force) affect the nucleus (strong force)?
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RE: Does the Higgs Boson Enforce the CCosmic Speed Limit
(July 23, 2017 at 9:27 am)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(July 23, 2017 at 7:45 am)Alex K Wrote: QCD is Quantum Chromodynamics, the theory how gluons mediate the strong interaction between quarks.

I was just posting it to show that people actually think about such things, the article is not written for general audience and probably pretty incomprehensible to non-experts apart from some of the introduction and conclusion.
I don't think the discovery changed those findingd much. All they had to assume for their hypothetical world is that neither the Higgs field nor an alternative exist.
This brings up something that puzzles me, though it's not related to the op, since we pretty much said all we need to about that, I feel safe following this digression.

I understand that gluons mediate the strong force and W and Z bosons mediate the weak force. But I've read in more than one article that by mediating the electron/neutrino/positron transformations, the W bosons cause nuclear transmutation. How can that be? How can transforming the electrons (weak force) affect the nucleus (strong force)?

Quarks are the only known particles that are affected by all known fundamental forces of nature, strong weak and electromagnetic, and gravity. A down quark can emit a virtual W- boson and turn into an up quark. This changes a neutron into a proton, and that leads to a nucleus with one higher order. The virtual W- boson can then go on into an electron and a neutrino. This process is known as beta decay because the radiated electrons were historically first called beta rays.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Does the Higgs Boson Enforce the CCosmic Speed Limit
(July 23, 2017 at 4:12 pm)Alex K Wrote:
(July 23, 2017 at 9:27 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: This brings up something that puzzles me, though it's not related to the op, since we pretty much said all we need to about that, I feel safe following this digression.

I understand that gluons mediate the strong force and W and Z bosons mediate the weak force. But I've read in more than one article that by mediating the electron/neutrino/positron transformations, the W bosons cause nuclear transmutation. How can that be? How can transforming the electrons (weak force) affect the nucleus (strong force)?

Quarks are the only known particles that are affected by all known fundamental forces of nature, strong weak and electromagnetic, and gravity. A down quark can emit a virtual W- boson and turn into an up quark. This changes a neutron into a proton, and that leads to a nucleus with one higher order. The virtual W- boson can then go on into an electron and a neutrino. This process is known as beta decay because the radiated electrons were historically first called beta rays.

so you're saying when a W boson turns a positron into a neutrino or a neutrino into an electron and vice versa that is not the weak force but beta decay?

I think I'm one step closer to knowledge, even if all I know is what I don't know, that's further along than where I was before. Thanx.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.

Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
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RE: Does the Higgs Boson Enforce the CCosmic Speed Limit
(July 24, 2017 at 8:08 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(July 23, 2017 at 4:12 pm)Alex K Wrote: Quarks are the only known particles that are affected by all known fundamental forces of nature, strong weak and electromagnetic, and gravity. A down quark can emit a virtual W- boson and turn into an up quark. This changes a neutron into a proton, and that leads to a nucleus with one higher order. The virtual W- boson can then go on into an electron and a neutrino. This process is known as beta decay because the radiated electrons were historically first called beta rays.

so you're saying when a W boson turns a positron into a neutrino or a neutrino into an electron and vice versa that is not the weak force but beta decay?

No no! It is the weak force, mediated by W bosons. I was just saying that the weak force equally affects leptons and quarks, and just mentioned beta decay as the most famogs example where both occur.
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