I'm sick and tired of this.. please be advised: the following is a rant!

[Lizzle]

All right, I'm in a bad mood. It seems like every website I am a member of has people that just assume that everyone believes in god (and no, I won't capitalize 'god' - that is just ridiculous!).

Today I was reading a thread from someone on a forum I frequently visit, and it said, in a nutshell, that the culling of mice is bad because 'only god decides when someone dies.'

I almost exploded. A god does NOT decide - when something dies, it dies from a medical/biological etiology. No one can tell me that's incorrect. That's how it is.

I am sick and tired of people who assume that everyone believes in 'morality' (because there is 'only one way of looking at morality'.. hah! ...that was sarcasm). Just the other day I was watching one of the Law and Order shows (my favorite is SVU, but this was a different one) and I literally had to shut off the TV because the end of the show came down to stuff based on 'god' versus the legal system. I was just so perturbed by this.. I mean, seriously? Can we please use our logic here?

Look, I don't have a problem if someone believes in god, but if it's 'assumed' that I believe in one or I'm asked about my 'religion,' I'm going to tell the truth. I'm an atheist and I have been for years. The world is/has been made of science. Sure, I believe Jesus and stuff existed, or something, but I do always say to keep in mind that a number of drugs were big back then. In addition, Jesus likely had schizophrenia characterized by grandiose delusions ('I am the son of god!'). I'm not trying to be condoning, I believe this is a likely possibility.

That felt so good to get out of my system. Thank you for reading!

[solja247]

Well we dont know if God does end their life, perhaps He does. (Not saying I believe that)

[Lizzle]

How would Jesus/god end our lives when we know full well how an organism dies? Medically speaking, most death processes are very clearly understood and explained biologically. What would that have to do with a god?

[Gilligan]

If Jesus had schizophrenia with delusions, why did the first Christians die slow and horrible deaths for something they would have KNOWN to be a lie (Virgin birth, sinless life of Jesus, His death and resurrection)? People will die for what they think is true but really isn't. But no one will do so for what they know is a lie, including the disciples.

[Lizzle]

Well, of course christians didn't know/believe that all that was a lie, like you said. They died for what they believed, and that's there business, eh?

That doesn't make them 'right.' In my opinion, it makes them rather stupid. It's human nature to want to follow a leader. What leader would make "his people" suffer for imaginary/illogical/culturally dependent "sins?"

Oh yeah, Hitler.

[Minimalist]

why did the first Christians die slow and horrible deaths for something they would have KNOWN to be a lie

Why do people wrap themselves with dynamite and blow themselves to smithereens for allah?

Why did otherwise intelligent Japanese pilots crash their planes into American ships?

People do lots of stupid stuff. Xtians merely did it earlier than the Arabs and the Japs.

[Lizzle]

Thank you, Minimalist. I was beginning to think that all the people on this forum believe that 'because everyone else did it, then it must be correct.'

I very much appreciate your input. I just thought that your examples would already be common knowledge, you know?

I wish people would back up their arguments.

[Gilligan]

why did the first Christians die slow and horrible deaths for something they would have KNOWN to be a lie

Why do people wrap themselves with dynamite and blow themselves to smithereens for allah?

Why did otherwise intelligent Japanese pilots crash their planes into American ships?

People do lots of stupid stuff. Xtians merely did it earlier than the Arabs and the Japs.

They did that for what they THOUGHT was true, not for something they would have known was false.

Also, If the resurrection of Jesus didn't happen and the Jews or Romans stole the body, they would have produced it and parade it around Jerusalem and we wouldn't have even heard of Him, and Christianity would have died on the spot. If the disciples stole the body, they would have known it was a lie as stated in my above post and would NOT have been willing to be martyred.

[Minimalist]

They did that for what they THOUGHT was true, not for something they would have known was false.

Just like your fucking xtian assholes. They thought their fictions were true....they weren't.

Besides, this whole Romans-persecuting-the-poor-xtians is grossly overstated. Most of it is later propaganda to cover up the xtians own crimes. The Romans were actually quite tolerant of other religions. Perhaps they shouldn't have been.

[Lizzle]

Jesus didn't "rise from the dead." He was in a tomb for three days. A human being can just barely survive for this long without sustenance.

if Jesus did "rise from the dead," then his body would have been in the tomb and his apparent soul or whatnot would have floated up into the clouds anyway, right? If that were scientifically possible.

Makes no sense, dude.

If Jesus existed, then he obviously escaped from the tomb somehow. Perhaps someone pushed the huge stone or whatever. Yeah, he was on a cross. For a day, right? That is usually not enough to cause lung collapse from elevated arms/shoulders. Yes, he was apparently stabbed in the side. It's very likely that he was not hit directly in the heart since he was apparently stabbed with a sword into the abdomen in an upwards direction. It is more likely that a lung was punctured and collapsed. Of course he'd pass out from this, who wouldn't? Regardless, if he existed, he died shortly after he escaped from the tomb. Obviously he still had all his wounds - they wouldn't have healed up by then.

He was probably extremely weak and died merely days after. He did not "rise into the clouds." That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard, and believe me, I love Santa's flying reindeer.

Please think of the possible physical and scientific explanations here. Please consider what is more realistic Keep in mind that people back at that time did not know anything about medicine. I find it odd that I even have to point that out.

Please consider the opposite side of the argument and back up your statements.

Sorry, but there is no such thing as magic.