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Evidence to Convict?
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Explain how it is a shifting of goal posts?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.  (August 6, 2017 at 9:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Explain how it is a shifting of goal posts? Because it's not
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Let's try this another way. What if, hypothetically, we all came together in agreement that eye-witness testimony can be considered evidence. Where does the dialogue go from there?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.  RE: Evidence to Convict?
August 6, 2017 at 9:34 pm
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2017 at 9:39 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(August 6, 2017 at 9:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Explain how it is a shifting of goal posts? Shifting the burden of proof required. But we are getting off topic.... I'm more concerned with the general principles, befor discussing special cases. (August 6, 2017 at 9:31 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Let's try this another way. What if, hypothetically, we all came together in agreement that eye-witness testimony can be considered evidence. Where does the dialogue go from there? We could discuss ways in which testimony may be contaminated, limits of testimony, or other aspects in more detail.i would probably stop there though, and let you to re-assess things. Ideologies don't just change instantly. However I haven't even been really making an argument for testimony. Hopefully at least, people would quit saying testimony is not evidence, and we wouldn't need to go back to this.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther RE: Evidence to Convict?
August 6, 2017 at 9:48 pm
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2017 at 9:49 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(August 6, 2017 at 9:34 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(August 6, 2017 at 9:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Explain how it is a shifting of goal posts? I have no idea what you mean here. (August 6, 2017 at 9:31 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Let's try this another way. What if, hypothetically, we all came together in agreement that eye-witness testimony can be considered evidence. Where does the dialogue go from there? Quote:We could discuss ways in which testimony may be contaminated, limits of testimony, or other aspects in more detail.i would probably stop there though, and let you to re-assess things. Ideologies don't just change instantly. However I haven't even been really making an argument for testimony.[/quote] See, this is where I start to sense you are being disingenuous despite your multiple protestations. Which ideology is it, exactly, that you feel "we" need to reassess? I'm really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken. (August 6, 2017 at 9:48 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(August 6, 2017 at 9:31 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Let's try this another way. What if, hypothetically, we all came together in agreement that eye-witness testimony can be considered evidence. Where does the dialogue go from there? See, this is where I start to sense you are being disingenuous despite your multiple protestations. Which ideology is it, exactly, that you feel "we" need to reassess? I'm really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here. [/quote] Those concerning testimony. As we have been discussing.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther 
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RE: Evidence to Convict?
August 6, 2017 at 9:57 pm
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2017 at 10:01 pm by RoadRunner79.)
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
But remember, he doesn't want to talk about the value of testimony as it pertains to God claims even though he, himself, has as much as stated that biblical testimony should be considered evidence, because for some reason that he hasn't explained yet, that would be "shifting the goal posts."
No, RR, is called discussing the subject honestly.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken. (August 6, 2017 at 10:03 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: But remember, he doesn't want to talk about the value of testimony as it pertains to God claims even though he, himself, has as much as stated that biblical testimony should be considered evidence, because for some reason that he hasn't explained yet, that would be "shifting the goal posts." You brought it up... I gave a quick answer, but I'm not looking into changing the topic to extraordinary claims. We have a thread for that. I, trying to not change topics.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther |
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