Are some theists afraid of atheists?

[Succubus]

BTW, Eve is totally exonerated in Scripture.  She was unaware she was committing an error until she ate the fruit.  So, any decision made prior to that, including the decision to eat the fruit, does not condemn her (or her descendants BTW).  

So, the whole 'original sin' thing is totally unsupported by the Holy Scriptures themselves.

Don't forget the magic sky daddy's omniscience, he knew the silly cow would chomp on the apple before he created her. Er, hang on, what about omnipresence? Not only did he know she'd scoff the fucking thing he stood there and watched her do it! What the fuck is wrong with people that they believe this shit?

[vorlon13]

and why a forbidden fruit and not a forbidden vegetable ??


think about it

[vorlon13]

Also, Adam and Eve prior to the tree incident, were imbued with their immortal souls. Isn't knowledge of good and evil an inherent property, if you will, of an immortal soul ??

And then, how would the fruit thing effect all other souls ??

After the apple, all other souls were imbued with the property of inherently understanding good and evil, seems odd such a big software update, if you will, would occur so early on in the history of the universe. Are other changes to all immortal souls still possible? Like endowing them all with Universal Salvation ????

[Succubus]

Also, Adam and Eve prior to the tree incident, were imbued with their immortal souls.  Isn't knowledge of good and evil an inherent property, if you will, of an immortal soul ??

And then, how would the fruit thing effect all other souls ??

After the apple, all other souls were imbued with the property of inherently understanding good and evil, seems odd such a big software update, if you will, would occur so early on in the history of the universe.  Are other changes to all immortal souls still possible?  Like  endowing them all with Universal Salvation ????

Now that! Never occurred to me, nice one.

[The Grand Nudger]

BTW, Eve is totally exonerated in Scripture.  She was unaware she was committing an error until she ate the fruit.  So, any decision made prior to that, including the decision to eat the fruit, does not condemn her (or her descendants BTW).  

So, the whole 'original sin' thing is totally unsupported by the Holy Scriptures themselves.

Only if your bible is missing genesis, romans, and corinthians................? For an exonerated woman, god gets awfully biblical on her ass, as well as all her descendants, a dragon (and all it's descendants), and the dirt under their feet.......

Gen

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14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
    and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
    and you will eat dust
    all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
    between you and the woman,
    and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
    and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
    with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
    and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
    through painful toil you will eat food from it
    all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
    and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
    you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
    since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
    and to dust you will return.”

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Rom

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12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

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Cor

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22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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-and lets not forget that this is the catholic church were talking about, sola scriptura isn't anything that makes them sweat at night, in any case.  

[vorlon13]

Also, Adam and Eve prior to the tree incident, were imbued with their immortal souls.  Isn't knowledge of good and evil an inherent property, if you will, of an immortal soul ??

And then, how would the fruit thing effect all other souls ??

After the apple, all other souls were imbued with the property of inherently understanding good and evil, seems odd such a big software update, if you will, would occur so early on in the history of the universe.  Are other changes to all immortal souls still possible?  Like  endowing them all with Universal Salvation ????

Now that! Never occurred to me, nice one.

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I can't take credit for that.  Sunday School 101 kinda thing.

Jesus, don't they teach ANYTHING in Sunday School anymore ??

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh, people focus too much on the knowledge of good and evil, particularly in light of original sin.  The sin was not "eating a fruit" had god told them not to pick up pinks stones..that would have been the sin - it was what that act represented.  Disobedience, disbelief.  God had told them that they couldn't eat the fruit, he told them that they would die. The Dragon made a compelling case to the Rib Woman that this was..if not an outright lie, not the whole truth.  Turned out, the Dragon wasn't bullshitting her, so she gave some fruit to Dirt Man, like you do.

The compelling themes in this narrative are, in my opinion, largely lost in popular conception of the story through centuries of ignorant literalism.  OFC it doesn't make any sense if you view it through that lens, that lens is batshit crazy. What it does make sense as, is an establishment myth set to the tune of the Nick Cage Theory of Parenting, which is something we still subject our children to routinely, unto this very day. If you do x, then you'll -DIE!-.

I know you're having all sorts of new thoughts Sally, but if you open that boys pants you'll get an std....and then you'll -DIE!-. It's telling, that god cursed the man, essentially, to working for a living, and the woman, to having a painful child birthing experience.

[vorlon13]

. . . and the Christians are stuck with every jot and tittle of it . . .

[The Grand Nudger]

-indeed....and, just as an addendum to the above, something tells me that gods "curse" was redudent, I;m pretty sure that adam was going to have to spend his days toiling like a mule and that eve was already a nagging wife who would, in fact, be wishing that he were dead soon enough..after whatever the fuck it was they were doing naked in the forest with their "fruits".

The writing was already on the wall. It was time for adam to get a job and that slut eve was gonna get hers in nine months. Sky Daddy wasn't going to put up with anymore of their disrespectful mooching shit under his roof - so out they go, before they broke into his private liquor cabinet. He even changed the locks behind them.

[vorlon13]

A rather contemporary creation tale.

Maybe you should be a writer for the 700 Club ?