White supremacists and counter protesters clash in Charlottesville

[johan]

So you're honestly saying that most of those who fought for the south were absolutely against slavery, but as much as they were against slavery, they were even more against those no good rotten god damned assholes from the North who had the nerve to come to their state in an effort to end the slavery they were actually against in the first place. Is that what you're saying? Because that sure sounds like that's what you're saying.

No.  I doubt very many Confederate soldiers were against slavery at all.  I'm saying, and their own diaries state, that slavery isn't the reason very many of them fought against the invading Union soldiers. 

You mean the diaries they wrote after they lost a war against slavery and slavery was then considered a bad thing? You mean those diaries? Written then? When the war was lost and you could therefore be considered scum for endorsing slavery? You're saying lots of soldiers at that particular time didn't feel so good about writing that they fought to keep slavery alive and preferred to cite different reasons for fighting the war they'd just lost? Shocking.

[Cecelia]

As far as I'm concerned, the statues SHOULD stay up.  Just because the South had the wrong view on slavery doesn't mean that great men weren't great men, or that they weren't an important part of American history.

So is King George III, but you don't see statues of him.  Funny how that works isn't it?

[henryp]

Most of these people, the nazi's and counter protesters are just entitled dipshits. You can see it in their behavior whenever they get maced. Or the way they toss shit at eachother and then scurry back to their side. It's like two boxers who don't like getting punched.

I think there's an expectation among all of them, that nobody is really going to be hurt too badly. But there are some really dangerous people out there. And they are going to start showing up to these things and murdering lots of folks.

Punching the white nationalist polo shirt wearing pedostache nazi's is funny to watch. But it seems inevitable that some of the American History X types are going to show up eventually, and we're going to see a lot more attempted mass murder.

[Rahul]

You mean the diaries they wrote after they lost a war against slavery and slavery was then considered a bad thing? You mean those diaries? Written then? When the war was lost and you could therefore be considered scum for endorsing slavery? You're saying lots of soldiers at that particular time didn't feel so good about writing that they fought to keep slavery alive and preferred to cite different reasons for fighting the war they'd just lost? Shocking.

No, diaries they kept during the war.  Do you know how diaries work?

[A Theist]

[Mr.wizard]

Wasn't Black Lives Matter just awarded the 2017 global peace prize? You are only picking protests where violence occurred and ignoring the work that the movement does globally.

[A Theist]

Wasn't Black Lives Matter just awarded the 2017 global peace prize?

Good Lord. Unbelievable. Hmm. So I'm only picking their violent protests and not their peaceful ones. Will the real Black Lives Matter please stand up.

[Minimalist]

This song reflects some of the attitudes of the confederacy c June 1861, the last historical event mentioned was the secession of Tennessee which happened on June 8.  Note that there is no mention of First Manassas which occurred on July 21, 1861 and would certainly have merited a verse or two had it happened when this version was written.  These were performance pieces of course as there was no recording at the time.  The battle cry is "southern rights" which could mean whatever one wanted it to mean, I suppose.  But they don't talk about slavery or blacks at all.




On the other side of the Mason-Dixon line the Northerners were singing this little ditty which can be dated to sometime between May, 1861 and May, 1863 by its reference to the confederate Stars and Bars flag which was in use at that time.  Judging by the trumpeting of "10,000 volunteers" it is probably closer to the beginning of that period than the end as the Union had gotten its ass kicked several times prior to May, 1863 and the enthusiasm for the war was definitely on a downward spiral.

Note that even here, the northerners do not talk of slavery or blacks but merely crushing the rebellion and preserving the union.





The first tune is a lot catchier.  The north was definitely behind in the musical department.

[Mr.wizard]

Wasn't Black Lives Matter just awarded the 2017 global peace prize?

Good Lord. Unbelievable.

Not really when you look at what the movement is about and the work that they have done, they are clearly not a hate group.

[Amarok]