Sometimes it's hard for me to shut up about my atheism

[The Grand Nudger]

Sounds like a couple of stalkers.

[Losty]

Losty wrote- I'm sorry your dad was mean to you. Your advice is still terrible. I hope some poor kid doesn't get his ass beat for listening to you.
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Well if parents beat their kids it proves  they're lousy parents!
My old man once kicked me like a dog for the heinous crime of throwing some orange peel down the toilet and it wouldn't flush, you couldn't make it up..

Of course it proves they're lousy parents. That doesn't really help the kid much in the meantime. Kids are not afforded the same rights as adults. And unfortunately, in most countries, the social service systems in place to protect children from abusive parents are overburdened and inadequate.

The type of advice you're giving would put a child at risk for abuse or being kicked out of their home. I understand that you feel justified because the parents who would abuse their kids or kick them out onto the streets are bad parents, but knowing they're bad parents isn't a shield of protection for their kids.

[Brian37]

Losty wrote- I'm sorry your dad was mean to you. Your advice is still terrible. I hope some poor kid doesn't get his ass beat for listening to you.
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Well if parents beat their kids it proves  they're lousy parents!
My old man once kicked me like a dog for the heinous crime of throwing some orange peel down the toilet and it wouldn't flush, you couldn't make it up..

Of course it proves they're lousy parents. That doesn't really help the kid much in the meantime. Kids are not afforded the same rights as adults. And unfortunately, in most countries, the social service systems in place to protect children from abusive parents are overburdened and inadequate.

The type of advice you're giving would put a child at risk for abuse or being kicked out of their home. I understand that you feel justified because the parents who would abuse their kids or kick them out onto the streets are bad parents, but knowing they're bad parents isn't a shield of protection for their kids.

The same can be said with abused women as adults. It is a nice notion to say, "Why not simply just leave." 

Realty is never that simple. 

Even with bullies. Even between boys and men. I was beaten up constantly by a street full of nothing but boys. I didn't have my first friend until high school. So when others say "fight back" or "leave" sounds nice but not the reality.

It is the same problem Muslims like Malala grow up with, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali barely escaped. Even on the family level in the west you cannot over simplify any type of abuse, male to female, or even male to male as "fight back" or "just do it, especially when it comes to kids.

I remember getting suckered to go down the block by a phone call by someone I thought was a friend. I went down the back allies but they were ahead of me scouting me on the way there and unfortunately I didn't see them. I trusted the asshole that baited me, he set me up, and as a result, 7 guys surrounded me, ambushed me until one of them punched me and broke my nose. Why? Because they thought I had flipped them off earlier in the day, but even if I had, how would that justify 7 against 1? 

It would be no different if a man said, "My girlfriend/wife said "fuck you" and you stab them or punch them.
Nothing I did warranted what they did to me. 

The problem with religion, is even if the child isn't flipping someone off like I was accused of, but just merely saying "I don't buy what you sold me" can be to many the same as a middle finger. The same as a impatient spouse who didn't have their dinner put on the table on time. 

It does not matter what Die says to their parents, in a uptopia you'd be right, but in reality parents can be as abusive as the bullies I grew up with. Spouses can be as abusive as the bullies I grew up with.

[Der/die AtheistIn]

Just so you all know, my parents wouldn't kick me out of the house if they found out that I'm an atheist. Neither of them believe in Hell and don't hate other religions. My mom is religious only because it makes her feel comfortable. She's very permissive, and I think she could handle the truth, or at the very least she wouldn't punish me. My dad on the other hand is kind of obsessed with religion. He's obsessed with everything, he wasn't very indoctrinated with religion. 
Dad can be verbally violent and is stubborn, so I can't tell him, not until I'm financially stable at the very least.

About the situation in Romania, most of the population is religious, but many don't believe in Hell and don't hate other religions. The country used to be communist, at that time religion lost some of its power. Now religion is taught in schools from 1 to 12 grade, the fundamentalist way. Not all teachers respect the system though, my present teacher doesn't use the manuals, he talks to us more about other themes than religion and he let's us believe what we want. He even said out loud that he doesn't have anything against gays! 
My teacher before him is the exact opposite, she told us about Heaven and Hell, that christianity is the best religion, we weren't allowed to have other opinions, and she said that homosexuality is the worst sin.
The school has build a little church in the yard, and we don't even use it. I went one time with my class, when the church was ready, but that was all. Since then I only saw people that aren't students or teacher at my school going to this church. I told my mom about this, and she replied that the church accepts believers. WTF? I love my mom, but that answer is stupid. I'm an atheist, and I'm happy that I don't have to go to this church, and even I think that what they're doing is bullshit. If they want a church for the town, build a church for the town. Don't make it in a schools yard and then let anybody, but the ones who go to the school enter it. 
Romania isn't nearly as dangerous as the Middle East, but it's sure chaotic and stupid.