Dawkins and Christianity

[Mr.wizard]

GC

Yes, your original "they aren't true christian's" defense, is just so clever and complex.

[rjh4 is back]

I'll apologies for all those comments,

Why would you apologize for all those comments? Did you make them? I just don't understand the thinking here. Apologize for things you are responsible for. Seems to me there is no need to apologize for anything else.

It would be like me as a white guy apologizing for slavery. Why would I do that? I did not participate in the act. Even if my ancestors did (they didn't...at least as far as I know), I wouldn't apologize.

Just a pet peeve of mine.

Before anyone is quick to take the last paragraph as I agree with the sentiment of those posts, I can assure you I do not. I would rather have a peace lover of any persuasion as my neighbor than any of those nut jobs.

[Astreja]

I find it both amusing and telling when Christians try to apologize for the bad behaviour of other Christians, while at the same time disowning them.

It makes perfect sense, though. Believers choose to let Jesus take the fall for them, and then claim that they've been forgiven by this mythological third party for acts committed against other people (even though the aggrieved mortals may choose to never forgive them). it isn't much of a stretch to use this "I'm forgiven, deal with it" mindset to blithely dismiss the historical barbarities committed by Christians in ages past.

[brewer]

If they claim to be christian then they are christian. You don't get to judge, especially for me/us.

Okay, I'm a nuclear scientist, I claim it so I must be by your reasoning. So don't you break that rational thinking by saying I'm not. I need to give no other proof, by your own words I'm a nuclear scientist what I say is enough proof.

GC

OK, from now on, for every person who claims to be a christian that posts here at AF you tell us if they are really christian or not. 

You can start with the ones currently active.

[Catholic_Lady]

I'll apologies for all those comments,

Why would you apologize for all those comments? Did you make them? I just don't understand the thinking here. Apologize for things you are responsible for. Seems to me there is no need to apologize for anything else.

It would be like me as a white guy apologizing for slavery. Why would I do that? I did not participate in the act. Even if my ancestors did (they didn't...at least as far as I know), I wouldn't apologize.

Just a pet peeve of mine.

Before anyone is quick to take the last paragraph as I agree with the sentiment of those posts, I can assure you I do not. I would rather have a peace lover of any persuasion as my neighbor than any of those nut jobs.

It feels accusatory when someone posts at you about something bad another Christian did, or when they are talking about Christians in general. I too feel compelled to apologize in these sorts of scenarios. It kind of sends a mixed message when things like this get posted at us or about us in general, and then when we apologize we get told not to.

[Amarok]

okay I'll bite so any Muslim who screams Allah Akbar and claims to be a Muslim. Is now no longer a Muslim after all there only claiming to be a Muslim . That way when I abortion clinic killer who right a whole manifesto justifying killing abortion doctors based on Christanity also get a pass .

[Mr.wizard]

My mother is Catholic and I would never want her to apologize for those people, she also would never say such vile things.

[Ravenshire]

They're quoting a Gospel Herald piece headlined "Richard Dawkins Sees Islam As a More Severe World Threat than Christianity"

They're also mis-attributing quotes made by the Gospel Herald to Dawkins.

Nowhere does the Gospel Herald show that Dawkins believes christianity is not a threat. Only that Islam may be a bigger one.

[Hammok Man]

As for not killing unbelievers trust me there are Christians who would  like this lovely fellows

http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/08/chris...ound-zero/

 I'll apologies for all those comments, they were stupid an not a Christian response, that's why I doubt they are Christians. If any of them are they haven't read the Bible and have not listened to those who are suppose to teach them that crap like that is undeniably against Jesus's teachings.

By the way it's interesting that you did not post the violent responses of some of the atheist commenting on the article and they had the advantage of see the results before posting, this is in no way a defense for what those supposed Christians said.

GC

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Don't you mean isn't a "true" christian?

I said what I said and meant what I said. You are either a Christian or you are not, if you doubt what I say read the NT.

GC

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Yes he is

And so are the majority of the people who praise such acts

 You can't prove he or the Army of God are Christian and until you can I say you're a spoof at best.

GC

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What the hell are you babbling about?

 Something over your head.

I am blown away by the facebook posts.

It is easy as an atheist to point a finger at ALL theists and say that they are to stupid, under-educated, or frightened to accept a reality where men are only accountable to themselves.  
I do not think this is intellectually honest.  
I think that the people who make public threats like this are a vocal minority.  

I am aware that some wack jobs in the US have blown up abortion clinics (killing people), and out right assassinated abortion doctors.
Have there been other "hate crimes" (murder or assault) committed against atheists purely based on beliefs?

I have a hard time understanding the "True Christian" excuse.  It sounds like a way to distance yourself from these wack jobs, when the True Christians should be trying to curb this behavior in their group.

I would love to see the entire facebook post, so I can get the entire context.

[Ravenshire]

If they claim to be christian then they are christian. You don't get to judge, especially for me/us.

Okay, I'm a nuclear scientist, I claim it so I must be by your reasoning. So don't you break that rational thinking by saying I'm not. I need to give no other proof, by your own words I'm a nuclear scientist what I say is enough proof.

GC

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I doubt that.

 You couldn't understand a simple statement so it must be over your head.

GC

You're really not much better than those in the comments you claimed to deplore.