Dawkins and Christianity

[Godscreated]

Okay, I'm a nuclear scientist, I claim it so I must be by your reasoning. So don't you break that rational thinking by saying I'm not. I need to give no other proof, by your own words I'm a nuclear scientist what I say is enough proof.

GC

OK, from now on, for every person who claims to be a christian that posts here at AF you tell us if they are really christian or not. 

You can start with the ones currently active.

 As far as the ones currently active they in my opinion show they are Christians. 

GC

[Catholic_Lady]

It feels accusatory when someone posts at you about something bad another Christian did, or when they are talking about Christians in general. I too feel compelled to apologize in these sorts of scenarios. It kind of sends a mixed message when things like this get posted at us or about us in general, and then when we apologize we get told not to.

Why would it feel accusatory to you if you weren't the one doing it and nobody said you were doing it?

And I did not get any hint from anybody's post that they were asking for an apology from Christians here.  So how is there a mixed message? Seems to be only a message from me saying stop it because it doesn't make sense.

Their point was that there are a lot of nut job Christians out there (yeah, yeah, I know....all of them...save your fingers as I got to it first) at least saying they want to do the things Dawkins (if it really was him saying it) said , and they have shown some evidence in support of the point.

When it is posted at us, or to generalize us, it feels accusatory. It feels like "See? See???? Look at what your people are doing!!"

[The Grand Nudger]

Perhaps you shouldn't associate yourself people who do horrible shit, then? Plenty of folks left the RCC of late, and yet you remain. So..yeah, they're you're people. When they fuck up, people are going to wonder how you can stand to be a part of it. That;s run of the mill human society stuff and not at all controversial until, suddenly, it's about someones religion.

[Godscreated]

 I'll apologies for all those comments, they were stupid an not a Christian response, that's why I doubt they are Christians. If any of them are they haven't read the Bible and have not listened to those who are suppose to teach them that crap like that is undeniably against Jesus's teachings.

By the way it's interesting that you did not post the violent responses of some of the atheist commenting on the article and they had the advantage of see the results before posting, this is in no way a defense for what those supposed Christians said.

GC

I am blown away by the facebook posts.

It is easy as an atheist to point a finger at ALL theists and say that they are to stupid, under-educated, or frightened to accept a reality where men are only accountable to themselves.  
I do not think this is intellectually honest.  
I think that the people who make public threats like this are a vocal minority.  

I am aware that some wack jobs in the US have blown up abortion clinics (killing people), and out right assassinated abortion doctors.
Have there been other "hate crimes" (murder or assault) committed against atheists purely based on beliefs?

I have a hard time understanding the "True Christian" excuse.  It sounds like a way to distance yourself from these wack jobs, when the True Christians should be trying to curb this behavior in their group.

I would love to see the entire facebook post, so I can get the entire context.

 While I've been here I've caught two people (socks if you will) trying to play the Christian and fool people even their fellow atheist. I caught both on their first post, now how do you suppose I did that. Because they were not real Christians and violated many teachings of the Bible that are easy for Christians to understand and know it's wrong to use such language (not foul, wrong). I do not like the tern true Christian because you are either a Christian and a child of God or you are an atheist, skeptic, belong to another religion or playing the role of a Christian to meet your own personal ideas and not God's. There was a link posted to the article and that's all I have seen.

GC

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Okay, I'm a nuclear scientist, I claim it so I must be by your reasoning. So don't you break that rational thinking by saying I'm not. I need to give no other proof, by your own words I'm a nuclear scientist what I say is enough proof.

GC

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 You couldn't understand a simple statement so it must be over your head.

GC

You're really not much better than those in the comments you claimed to deplore.

 And how would you know exactly, are you just made because I called you an eraser eater.

GC

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 Why do you question what is your tactics with the Bible, you go to biased sights to get your info against the Bible and parade it around as the truth. And then there's this by two others "OUT of CONTEXT," really, tell me you didn't mean it, you accuse Christians of saying this and then you turn around and say the same thing, so that you know that's called a double standard. You guys need to get real and accept your does of medicine.

GC

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Quit fucking whining.  We can trace the quote to it's source - Dawkin's book or himself to find the context and the specific meaning. You can't do that with the bible.  It means whatever you were told it means.  And I've never met a christian yet who doesn't count on using the bible out of context.

It's you who have been whining the whole time. I study the Bible and find out what it says I rarely take someone at their word especially if doubts arise while I'mm speaking with them. I've even questioned my pastor on occasion and we've dug into the scriptures to find the answers. Unlike you I'm not one to be spoon feed, Dawkins preyed on people like you and you have fallen for it lock, stock and barrel. Yes you will gobble up any lie he tells because he's your god, he can't save you from the hell he is trying to get you to spend with him. Following this blind man will only bring you eternal trouble. 

All atheist use it out of context and it's a simple reason why, they know nothing about it and they are afraid of it even though they want admit it. You want find me using the scriptures out of context. Even if i did you would be easy to fool, Dawkins has proved that.

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 I'll apologies for all those comments, they were stupid an not a Christian response, that's why I doubt they are Christians. If any of them are they haven't read the Bible and have not listened to those who are suppose to teach them that crap like that is undeniably against Jesus's teachings.

By the way it's interesting that you did not post the violent responses of some of the atheist commenting on the article and they had the advantage of see the results before posting, this is in no way a defense for what those supposed Christians said.

GC

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Apples and oranges.  You have a sky-daddy that makes his morals and expectations known to all who believe in him, yet they act like any other angry, bigoted self-righteous person.   If you can't expect believers to act at least better than atheists, what's the fucking point?  Ahhh, that's right.  You do it for your imaginary reward.

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The reward of heaven is real and I challenge you to prove  different. They do not receive them out of the blue, this is another thing you misrepresent about Christians. God gave us the Bible to study and find out how we are to live our live and it isn't the way those who made such idiotic statements live. They are not over zealous Christians they are at best totally uneducated Christians, if they're Christians at all. My bold above describes you very well.

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Yes he is

And so are the majority of the people who praise such acts

 You can't prove he or the Army of God are Christian and until you can I say you're a spoof at best.

GC

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Can you prove ANY christian is a christian?  If not, you're no better.

The scriptures tell us we can see through those who pose as Christians when they are actually not, so yes when they make blatant mistakes like those people did. One simple verse condemns them, Matthew 5:39.

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Okay, I'm a nuclear scientist, I claim it so I must be by your reasoning. So don't you break that rational thinking by saying I'm not. I need to give no other proof, by your own words I'm a nuclear scientist what I say is enough proof.

GC

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We can prove you're not a nuclear scientist. Conclusively. With no doubt.

The premise that I answered did not follow that line, it was purely on sat so. To bad you didn't understand what was being said.

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Why would you apologize for all those comments? Did you make them? I just don't understand the thinking here. Apologize for things you are responsible for. Seems to me there is no need to apologize for anything else.

It would be like me as a white guy apologizing for slavery. Why would I do that? I did not participate in the act. Even if my ancestors did (they didn't...at least as far as I know), I wouldn't apologize.

Just a pet peeve of mine.

Before anyone is quick to take the last paragraph as I agree with the sentiment of those posts, I can assure you I do not. I would rather have a peace lover of any persuasion as my neighbor than any of those nut jobs.

It's that christian guilt trip kicking in.

 I don't expect the ignorant to understand that in any way did I feel guilty, for me to do that I would have been one of those who made such stupid statements. So let me explain it to you, I apologized because they are suppose to represent the Christian family (which they do not according to the Bible). If my atheist brother were to make such a statement to Christians I would apologize on behalf of my Christian family, why, because he is suppose to represent our family and smearing our name needs to be corrected with an apology. I know you probably can't understand such a concept because it comes from God.

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[Amarok]

Why would it feel accusatory to you if you weren't the one doing it and nobody said you were doing it?

And I did not get any hint from anybody's post that they were asking for an apology from Christians here.  So how is there a mixed message? Seems to be only a message from me saying stop it because it doesn't make sense.

Their point was that there are a lot of nut job Christians out there (yeah, yeah, I know....all of them...save your fingers as I got to it first) at least saying they want to do the things Dawkins (if it really was him saying it) said , and they have shown some evidence in support of the point.

When it is posted at us, or to generalize us, it feels accusatory. It feels like "See? See???? Look at what your people are doing!!"

Sorry you fell that way. But I afraid your wrong .

[rjh4 is back]

I know you probably can't understand such a concept because it comes from God.

GC

I don't understand it and I am a Christian. I think it is perfectly appropriate to apologize for something you do. I do not think there is anything in the Bible that indicates the necessity of apologizing for someone else's actions.

I don't think it is wrong to make such apologies, but I still don't understand it.

[Ravenshire]

And how would you know exactly, are you just made because I called you an eraser eater.

GC

Sorry, I wasn't "made" about anything you knuckle dragger. I was just pointing out that your pious, holier-than-thou shtick is nearly as bad as those comments you felt compelled to apologize for. More smokescreen for your pompous feelings of superiority and delusions of grandeur?

[Minimalist]

Deep down, G-C is a terrified little shit.  He can't abide that he won't get to spend eternity kissing jesus' ass.

[Harry Nevis]

Have you an actual quote of Dawkins saying that? Or just links to anonymous christard propoganda? Well actually it's both, because you follow the link from your link, it links to breitbart which links to an obscure seven year old blog post quoting something which it purports to be Dawkins, and then compounding it by saying it says x when it says y, a blog post which also was trying to say that gay people were trying to join the EDL which hates gays more than it does muslims. Yeah, your link is a pile of lying shit. Not surprising given you're posting it.

Given that Dawkins considers christianity as big a threat as islam is to the world, I am very confident that this is about as truthful as Lady Hope lying about converting Darwin on his deathbed.

 Why do you question what is your tactics with the Bible, you go to biased sights to get your info against the Bible and parade it around as the truth. And then there's this by two others "OUT of CONTEXT," really, tell me you didn't mean it, you accuse Christians of saying this and then you turn around and say the same thing, so that you know that's called a double standard. You guys need to get real and accept your does of medicine.

GC

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No double standard at all.  We can research, even ask Dawkins about what he meant.  You can't do that with your bible.  Quit fucking whining.

[Godscreated]

I know you probably can't understand such a concept because it comes from God.

GC

I don't understand it and I am a Christian. I think it is perfectly appropriate to apologize for something you do. I do not think there is anything in the Bible that indicates the necessity of apologizing for someone else's actions.

I don't think it is wrong to make such apologies, but I still don't understand it.

 Let me explain it this way. If my brother who is an atheist were to say some terrible things to a group of Christians (know or unknown to me) and he did not apologies to them then it would be a responsibility for me as a member of the family. The families honor is being impugned and needs a representative to set things straight. The church is a family as described in the Bible, I am of that family and feel that way so much so that my username use to be Godschild. I felt it my responsibility to apologies for those who tried to represent the church and impugned it with comments unbecoming and unnecessary from the mouth of a Christian. As you could read most of the atheist that were responding to this thread were blaming the church as a whole. Paul taught we were to defend the church from such heresies, calling them destructive to the church. I hope this clears this up for you. I come from a family who has always put honor as one of the first things a family should have, been instilled in me from a small boy and I believe it to be a good thing, both the teaching of and upholding of honor. God thinks so, too. He mentions it often in His word.

GC

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And how would you know exactly, are you just made because I called you an eraser eater.

GC

Sorry, I wasn't "made" about anything you knuckle dragger. I was just pointing out that your pious, holier-than-thou shtick is nearly as bad as those comments you felt compelled to apologize for. More smokescreen for your pompous feelings of superiority and delusions of grandeur?

 If I'm not mistaken I explained to you before that I follow what Paul taught, I believe myself to be lowly among those here, so you need to take this and put it in a book so you can remember it. It's really funny you can't see who's the pompous a.. here, it's you calling me names that makes you feel the superior one, if it didn't you probably would n't follow me around from thread to thread doing so. By the way your wasting your time calling me names because they bother me not. Like I just posted in another thread to you i'm done with your foolishness and will not respond to you on this subject in this thread again.

GC

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 Why do you question what is your tactics with the Bible, you go to biased sights to get your info against the Bible and parade it around as the truth. And then there's this by two others "OUT of CONTEXT," really, tell me you didn't mean it, you accuse Christians of saying this and then you turn around and say the same thing, so that you know that's called a double standard. You guys need to get real and accept your does of medicine.

GC

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No double standard at all.  We can research, even ask Dawkins about what he meant.  You can't do that with your bible.  Quit fucking whining.

 You're another one who follows me around from thread to thread answering what I post to others just so you can take a jab at me, I'm going to quit answering you also I'm over your childish ways.  By the way it is a double standard and if you can't see it I pity you.

GC