Leftists Purging History or Al Queda in America

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't see how Neo's quote indicates that he is a white supremacist. He's making a point about taking down any statue of historical significance. You may disagree with that, but this does not make him a white supremacist.

It's about context. MLK was not campaigning for adultery. R.E. Lee was leading armies defending chatteldom; that was the notable achievement of his life. Not every context, and not every personage, is equally good. Germany has exactly zero statues of Hitler, but somehow they manage to remember their own history. How's that work?

You want historical significance? Put these statues in a museum ... and provide context for those who are otherwise deaf to it. Why are conservatives so afraid of museums?

I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. Honestly, I personally don't have a strong opinion on these statues either way. I guess the fairest thing to do would be to let the people of the city itself decide. My response was only to say that Neo's opinion on this particular issue with historical statues doesn't make him a supremacist sympathizer, even if it is the same opinion as the supremacist themselves.

[KevinM1]

I don't see how Neo's quote indicates that he is a white supremacist. He's making a point about taking down any statue of historical significance. You may disagree with that, but this does not make him a white supremacist.

It's about context. MLK was not campaigning for adultery. R.E. Lee was leading armies defending chatteldom; that was the notable achievement of his life. Not every context, and not every personage, is equally good. Germany has exactly zero statues of Hitler, but somehow they manage to remember their own history. How's that work?

You want historical significance? Put these statues in a museum ... and provide context for those who are otherwise deaf to it. Why are conservatives so afraid of museums?

Because they're institutions of culture and learning?

[Anomalocaris]

She didn't say he's a white supremacist.  She said he was saying the same things they say.

I figured she insinuated as much when she followed up with "now we know who you really are". Having the same opinion about historic statues as those supremacists did, does not make the person a supremacist themselves, or a sympathizer of white supremacy. But if that's not what she meant, then my apologies.

He revealed that he thinks in those confederates whose sole notable accomplishment is success in fighting and killing to perpetuate slavery, the attribute of having fought and killed to perpetuate slavery ought to reflect no more unfavorably upon their overall character than adultry and plagerism should reflect upon the overall character of one whose notable accomplishement is advancing so much the cause of equality in a still deeply discriminatory world.

That is an indication that he, if not a supremacist with the guts to fly a swaztaka himself, is at least one who would think nothing of casually putting his own foot down on the neck of the down trodden that more brutal supremacists had knocked down to the ground for him.

[Crossless2.0]

Meanwhile, I see in the news that descendants of Stonewall Jackson are calling for his statue to be taken down in Richmond, VA:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stonewa...OCID=HPDHP

Normally, I would think this would be 'game over' for the "historical significance" crowd, but I'm sure the game will continue anyway. But what does Jackson's family know, anyway?

From the article:  "Jack Christian told The Associated Press that he used to be open to the idea that the statues on Richmond's famed Monument Avenue - which memorialize southern Civil War heroes, including Jackson - might be acceptable if context were added to explain why they were built.

However, the racially charged violence in Charlottesville has shown that to be impossible, he said.

"They were constructed to be markers of white supremacy. They were constructed to make black people fearful," Christian said. "I can only imagine what persons of color who have to walk and drive by those every morning think and feel."

Must be more of that Al Qaeda-style purging of history.

[KevinM1]

Yeah, it's important to note that these statues are celebrating seditious traitors. The majority were also put up during the Jim Crow era in order to remind the black populace of its place in society.

It's interesting to me that we gleefully tear down the symbols of oppression abroad (remember how hot and bothered conservatives got when we toppled some statues of Saddam Hussein in Iraq?), yet tut-tut when it's time to do it here.

At best, these statues should be in a museum as part of an exhibit of how bad we can be. As a way to remember and to affirm we're supposed to be better than that. But in modern, public spaces? Fuck that noise.

[vorlon13]

There's a specific 10 Commandments monument on a church property I drive by on occasion. Dammit, I'm going to stop and photograph it and MAKE FUCKING SURE that church has the CORRECT version (that their home franchise office approved) on display, and if they don't, I'm going to see if I can get them IN TROUBLE.


Oh, DEAREST SWEETEST AND BESTEST GODDY GOD, LET THEIR MONUMENT BE THE JEWISH VERSION, PLEASE,PLEASE, PLEASE, AND I REALLY MEAN IT THIS TIME!!!! PRAISE JESUS!!!!

[Minimalist]

Probably these:

[vorlon13]

If I can get a 10 commandments monument nuked, on church property no less, for HERESY (!!) and they don't have money for a replacement :

do I get a nomination for atheist of the year ??

[Minimalist]

You'll get my vote.

[brewer]

Is the moral of the story to vote to remove statues and then not do anything for 4 months?

Talk about inaction stirring the pot.