One more dogma to add to the rest.

[Cyberman]

Me? I try not to. But this is a discussion forum and there's a lot of lurkers, some of whom may be thinking of joining up. I do it mainly for them.

[Hammok Man]

The human race will never stop adapting to the environment, and culture we live in. As long as there is a breeding population we will continue to follow our genetic programming.
We do have free will, heavily influenced by our genetics.

The idea that we are at a pinnacle is depressing.

[Astonished]

The human race will never stop adapting to the environment, and culture we live in.  As long as there is a breeding population we will continue to follow our genetic programming.
We do have free will, heavily influenced by our genetics.

The idea that we are at a pinnacle is depressing.

Or that Shit-Eating Doofus Rik is part of that pinnacle.

[The Grand Nudger]

Some pinnacle, eh?

[Astonished]

Some pinnacle, eh?

I mean, I have no confidence in humanity as a whole, but...fuck, man, we've GOT to be able to do better than THAT.

[Little Rik]

Little Rik Wrote: I really can not see any difference between a religious fanatic that only believe in creation or that there is the hell and an atheist that go around saying that the peak of evolution or that the ultimate in evolution is being a human.

None of whatsoever.

It's not obvious that you can understand much of anything.

You're probably right.  You should stick with your fairy tales.  They seem to be at a level you can handle.

Well, we all stick around something.

I stick around the one who is teaching me how to get to the peak of evolution.
You on the contrary stick around the F word 24/7.

Let us see who is the smart.  

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Your confusion is out of control Mat.

Humans have the free will so whatever we do affect us in the good or the bad.
We are stuck inside a body so it is obvious that we have to put up with that and if we take the wrong decision we suffer.
Our consciousness lose and it fade away according to the damage that we have done.
Also the opposite happen if we do the right thing.
In this case our consciousness gain and become stronger.  

Humans do have choices in life, but there is no sky hero vs super villain battling over the neurons in your brain as if you are a poker chip. 

I am an atheist, but I have no violent felonies, haven't even had a speeding ticket since 1999. How is it I can avoid harming others then if I don't buy you sky hero claims? 

Here's how, because I am not making bets on fictional super heros, and I accept because of my own natural empathy that life goes better when you don't harm others. I don't need an old book of mythology to tell me not to hurt other humans.

You are doing ok. Brian however not hurting other is not everything.
You need a lot more before you will be able to reach the peak of evolution but that idea will come in your mind at a later stage when you will get sick and tired of getting nowwhere.  

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Well now wait a minute, just a minute ago you told us consciousness could never be destroyed, but now it "lose and fade away", purportedly, depending on whether or not we follow your gurus advice and/or how many dogs we kick.

Just trying to get some clarity here, it would be horrible if my indestructible consciousness was somehow.....destroyed.

Good question Kem.
Fade away doesn't necessary mean to be destroyed.
Take something that you put away maybe in the store room.
After sometime the dust will cover it and if you look at it the image is not as clear as if would be kept away from the dust.
It is fading away as the dust cover it up but the object is still there.
If you clean it up his image will be restored.

Or take the sun.
When the clouds prevent us to see the sun you can hardly see it but as soon as the clouds go away then the sun will show again.
The sun doesn't die just because you can not see it.
It is only the fact that something prevent us to see it.

In other words no consciousness can be killed.
At the same time the consciousness can not be felt in some cases or can be felt even more in other cases.
Got it?  

[Fake Messiah]

I stick around the one who is teaching me how to get to the peak of evolution.
You on the contrary stick around the F word 24/7.

You know how it is LR some people bring the worst in other people and you are one of those people. Because you sound like a tottal crackpot. It's really haunting notion where did you get all this crap in your head. Like this I noticed you recently writing

God created the 5 fundamental factors first (space, air, energy, water and matter) and from here it is needed

So in your world air and water are not matter? I mean I'm not asking you to do your usual "explanation" because you'll just mount much more crap, but you try to realize how it is: you do go off as a troll or a total idiot so it's really hard for people to sustain themselves for yelling insults at you when you behave like human excrement.

[Little Rik]

One is non-sense and one is based on evidence.

It's obvious which pill you took.

This is where the theist confuses "atheist" with evolution. "atheist" is actually a separate issue than evolution.

There is no confusion Brian.
As far as most atheists got the idea that man is the most evolved thing around then I have no choice but to say that atheists are stuck in the dogma.

Evolution is the scientific study of how life changes over long periods of time. "atheist" strictly addresses one claim, that of god/s.

Let me correct your statement.
I rather say..........The evolution that I know is the scientific study of how PHYSICAL life changes over long periods of time.......
This type of evolution does not deal with changes in consciousness therefore is a limited study which show and teach very very little.

The other mistake Rik is making here is that evolution DOES NOT CLAIM that humans are the apex of life, but merely one species among many. When scientists say humans have more developed brains, that does not mean we are an apex, merely that we have different adaptations as a species. Other life is better adapt to do other things. Like bacteria and cockroaches are better and faster at reproduction than humans and they have been far more successful than humans.

As far as atheists take this limited knowledge as the cream of knowledge then I have to say that you guys are fooling yourselves.
How the hell can you give so much importance to a study that deal only with changes in bodies and forget completely about changes in consciousness?
How can you be so so stupid?

It is actually the opposite with humans when it comes to religion. Theist get taught that they are the top of the chain and that a divine power gave them dominion over all other life. The problem with this mentality is that it teaches us to abuse our environments because there is an afterlife so who cares what we do now.

That is typical of many religious theists.
Nothing to do with me.  

Evolution as a science says that all life lives in an ecosystem that we share, and when one aspect of that system gets out of balance it affects the rest of the life in that ecosystem.

Agree, but I would rather say that you mean the physical evolution.

So when the theist cannot defend claims of magic and poof, they attack scientific method to falsely vilify it. The irony is that they do so while using computers, the product of scientific method.

Not all theists are fanatics.
Nothing to do with me.  

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm thinking Mamma ain't giving Little Rik any sugar and he's got to get his frustrations out somewhere.

[Cyberman]