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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
August 31, 2017 at 10:17 am
(August 31, 2017 at 9:42 am)Khemikal Wrote: (August 31, 2017 at 12:31 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Personally; I don't mind covering the face in terms of personal freedom. But I'm totally against (and frankly abhor) twisting what the Quran says to prove an ancient custom. I think it's cute that you imagine the quran has any other use.
To be fair to Atlass sexism was rampant in all of antiquity worldwide. Humans back then saw females as property to be bartered between families. And sexist clothing exists in every religion, even if not everyone in that label ascribes to it, many still do.
Back in antiquity worldwide, nobody had any clue that females contributed half the genes. Girls/women were viewed as fields for the man to plant the seed in. It is why even to this day worldwide a majority of the time the female adapts the man's last name. It is still a form of subjugation born out of human ignorance.
The Amish expect those girls/women to dress a certain way. LDS and Mormons too. Hindus and Sikhs also have gender role clothing too. You will also never see a female Dali Lama or female Pope.
But even in polytheism in Ancient Rome and Greece, the head gods are depicted as male, and quite often, even in their mythology, the female goddesses are seen as second class, and human females like Casandra are used as pawns to make the male Gods look good. Ajax is a polytheistic character whom is depicted as a hero, but in his exploits he also rapes women.
Point being again, Islam did not invent sexism nor does it own a patent on it. I would only say to Atlass, the same thing I say to any religion. Religion is still used, like it or not, to justify sexism, but not just his.
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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
August 31, 2017 at 11:40 am
They seem to care about their modesty, a shining example to us all
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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
August 31, 2017 at 12:11 pm
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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
August 31, 2017 at 12:42 pm
(August 31, 2017 at 9:49 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 31, 2017 at 9:26 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I mean... I don't recall any catholic nuns advocating for a policy requiring all women in their country to wear a habit, punishable by imprisonment or worse..
Don't bother. Some people are always going to try to equate Christianity with radical Islamism every chance they get.
Why the "radical" qualifier and the "-ism" suffix only for Islam? That's rather a one-sided equation, essentially imposing on me a position I haven't advanced. What were you saying about ignorant and dishonest, again?
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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
August 31, 2017 at 12:43 pm
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2017 at 12:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
If the purpose is to reduce attraction and perversion, then it fails on grounds of rule 34. Niqab pron exists..hilariously, it's the only thing the girls -are- wearing. Good job Islam!
It's not exactly surprising, these body coverings for "modesty" make it easier to objectify a person due to the lack of idiosyncratic and humanizing features common to human faces and bodies. The blindfold is for the executioner, not the condemned. They also make it easier to fanatasize about a person without all the nagging detail of..well...detail. Taken together, and along with the observation that taboo breeds perversions - nothing about the whole sorry state of bodybags and their variants in islam is remarkable in the least.
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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
August 31, 2017 at 12:56 pm
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(August 31, 2017 at 12:42 pm)Cyberman Wrote: (August 31, 2017 at 9:49 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Don't bother. Some people are always going to try to equate Christianity with radical Islamism every chance they get.
Why the "radical" qualifier and the "-ism" suffix only for Islam? That's rather a one-sided equation, essentially imposing on me a position I haven't advanced. What were you saying about ignorant and dishonest, again?
You're literally equating habit uniforms worn by regular nuns for their vocation, with the niqabs as required attire for women in the Middle East if they are going to be seen by any man other than family. That's radical Islam, and you're equating that with mainstream Christianity by posting a picture of nuns, in church, wearing their nun uniform. It's dishonest to try to say the 2 are the same on any level, and you know it. You're a smart man.
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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
August 31, 2017 at 1:08 pm
I was trying to illustrate the lack of subsatntial difference between one woman wearing such an outfit for religious reasons and another from a different religion. I'm not equating the two religions beyond that superficial level. I leave the justifications for the costumes and practices to others, but someone else would have done the same if I hadn't.
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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
August 31, 2017 at 1:14 pm
(August 31, 2017 at 1:08 pm)Cyberman Wrote: I was trying to illustrate the lack of subsatntial difference between one woman wearing such an outfit for religious reasons and another from a different religion. I'm not equating the two religions beyond that superficial level. I leave the justifications for the costumes and practices to others, but someone else would have done the same if I hadn't.
Fair enough, but I still think equating a nun wearing a habit, which is a vocational uniform, to women being made to wear a niqab every time they have to leave the house or be seen by a man, seems very dishonest to me.
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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
August 31, 2017 at 1:16 pm
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What's radical about a niqab? The idea that you should cover some part of your body is no more or less radical in the case of a niqab than it is in the case of a shirt. Go to church topless, see what happens.
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RE: Niqab and Muslim Women
August 31, 2017 at 1:17 pm
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@CL
Then you are correct in entering the objection into the record. As am I in disagreeing.
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