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RE: Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite
September 13, 2017 at 10:13 am
(September 13, 2017 at 6:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Does it matter?
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I suspect that it does. Praying for something to fly isn't as effective as working out the principles of lift.
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RE: Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite
September 13, 2017 at 10:15 am
(September 13, 2017 at 9:37 am)Mathilda Wrote: Human consciousness is a product of the brain.
Sure, sure.........also the driver is a product of the car. 
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RE: Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite
September 13, 2017 at 10:27 am
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(September 13, 2017 at 10:15 am)Little Rik Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 9:37 am)Mathilda Wrote: Human consciousness is a product of the brain.
Sure, sure.........also the driver is a product of the car.
Destroy the car and the driver still exists. Destroy the brain and you destroy consciousness.
If it wasn't so then anesthetic wouldn't work and we wouldn't care about neuro-degenerative diseases or use narcotics.
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RE: Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite
September 13, 2017 at 10:32 am
(September 13, 2017 at 10:27 am)Mathilda Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 10:15 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure, sure.........also the driver is a product of the car.
Destroy the car and the driver still exists. Destroy the brain and you destroy consciousness.
If it wasn't so then anesthetic wouldn't work and we wouldn't care about neuro-degenerative diseases or use narcotics.
Wrong again Mat.
Has already been proven that when a brain is destroyed the consciousness live on.
You can't destroy energy and consciousness.
They are the two sides of the same sheet.
NDEs already proved that. 
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RE: Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite
September 13, 2017 at 10:53 am
(September 13, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 10:27 am)Mathilda Wrote: Destroy the car and the driver still exists. Destroy the brain and you destroy consciousness.
If it wasn't so then anesthetic wouldn't work and we wouldn't care about neuro-degenerative diseases or use narcotics.
Wrong again Mat.
Has already been proven that when a brain is destroyed the consciousness live on.
You can't destroy energy and consciousness.
They are the two sides of the same sheet.
NDEs already proved that.
Provide peer reviewed publication of reproducible, falsifiable evidence obtained using lab conditions published in a reputable journal otherwise admit that you're wrong. Because if what you are saying really was correct and that proof of NDEs had been achieved then the above would be easy to obtain.
Consciousness is easy to destroy.
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RE: Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite
September 13, 2017 at 11:09 am
(This post was last modified: September 13, 2017 at 11:10 am by Neo-Scholastic.)
(September 13, 2017 at 9:37 am)Mathilda Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 9:15 am)SteveII Wrote: Science cannot "investigate, describe and explain" everything about reality.
But there is nothing that the scientific method cannot ultimately explain given sufficient resources, except perhaps what happened before the Big Bang.
(September 13, 2017 at 9:15 am)SteveII Wrote: There are realities beyond what we can scientifically explain: numbers and math, logic, ethics, aesthetics, human consciousness, scientific laws (ironically governing the science that is trying to explain everything)
All explainable by science.
Numbers, Maths and logic are human inventions used to describe reality. Without humans they would not exist.
Ethics are a product of society and evolved instincts.
Human consciousness is a product of the brain.
We don't know that scientific laws cannot be explained using the scientific method.
(September 13, 2017 at 9:15 am)SteveII Wrote: and metaphysical truths.
If it's part of physical reality then it's amenable to the scientific method, otherwise it doesn't actually exist.
Matilda, you are so ignorant and misguided I don't even know where to begin. So I guess if I had to to choose just one example of your idiocy it would be mathematics as a human invention. Are you saying that the value of pi is not an objective fact that is independent of any sentient being's knowledge of it? That strains credulity.
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RE: Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite
September 13, 2017 at 11:32 am
(September 13, 2017 at 11:09 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 9:37 am)Mathilda Wrote: But there is nothing that the scientific method cannot ultimately explain given sufficient resources, except perhaps what happened before the Big Bang.
All explainable by science.
Numbers, Maths and logic are human inventions used to describe reality. Without humans they would not exist.
Ethics are a product of society and evolved instincts.
Human consciousness is a product of the brain.
We don't know that scientific laws cannot be explained using the scientific method.
If it's part of physical reality then it's amenable to the scientific method, otherwise it doesn't actually exist.
Matilda, you are so ignorant and misguided I don't even know where to begin. So I guess if I had to to choose just one example of your idiocy it would be mathematics as a human invention. Are you saying that the value of pi is not an objective fact that is independent of any sentient being's knowledge of it? That strains credulity.
Do you not understand that math is a language created by humans to describe observations of the universe?
(before you go around calling people ignorant, make sure you aren't the moron spouting off drivel)
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RE: Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite
September 13, 2017 at 11:41 am
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(September 13, 2017 at 9:37 am)Mathilda Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 9:15 am)SteveII Wrote: Science cannot "investigate, describe and explain" everything about reality.
But there is nothing that the scientific method cannot ultimately explain given sufficient resources, except perhaps what happened before the Big Bang.
(September 13, 2017 at 9:15 am)SteveII Wrote: There are realities beyond what we can scientifically explain: numbers and math, logic, ethics, aesthetics, human consciousness, scientific laws (ironically governing the science that is trying to explain everything)
All explainable by science.
Numbers, Maths and logic are human inventions used to describe reality. Without humans they would not exist.
Ethics are a product of society and evolved instincts.
Human consciousness is a product of the brain.
We don't know that scientific laws cannot be explained using the scientific method.
(September 13, 2017 at 9:15 am)SteveII Wrote: and metaphysical truths.
If it's part of physical reality then it's amenable to the scientific method, otherwise it doesn't actually exist.
Wow. As Neo said, there is a lot wrong with this.
You might want to look up Scientism (which is what you are espousing).
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RE: Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite
September 13, 2017 at 12:02 pm
(September 13, 2017 at 11:41 am)SteveII Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 9:37 am)Mathilda Wrote: But there is nothing that the scientific method cannot ultimately explain given sufficient resources, except perhaps what happened before the Big Bang.
All explainable by science.
Numbers, Maths and logic are human inventions used to describe reality. Without humans they would not exist.
Ethics are a product of society and evolved instincts.
Human consciousness is a product of the brain.
We don't know that scientific laws cannot be explained using the scientific method.
If it's part of physical reality then it's amenable to the scientific method, otherwise it doesn't actually exist.
Wow. As Neo said, there is a lot wrong with this.
You might want to look up Scientism (which is what you are espousing).
Tell us what is wrong with this.
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RE: Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite
September 13, 2017 at 12:05 pm
(September 13, 2017 at 11:09 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (September 13, 2017 at 9:37 am)Mathilda Wrote: But there is nothing that the scientific method cannot ultimately explain given sufficient resources, except perhaps what happened before the Big Bang.
All explainable by science.
Numbers, Maths and logic are human inventions used to describe reality. Without humans they would not exist.
Ethics are a product of society and evolved instincts.
Human consciousness is a product of the brain.
We don't know that scientific laws cannot be explained using the scientific method.
If it's part of physical reality then it's amenable to the scientific method, otherwise it doesn't actually exist.
Matilda, you are so ignorant and misguided I don't even know where to begin. So I guess if I had to to choose just one example of your idiocy it would be mathematics as a human invention. Are you saying that the value of pi is not an objective fact that is independent of any sentient being's knowledge of it? That strains credulity.
Ummm .. Mathilda ignorant? You've read some of her posts before?
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