Religion and Science are 1000% Opposite

[I_am_not_mafia]

I think some of my brain cells just died reading Little Prik's response.

[Crossless2.0]

I think some of my brain cells just died reading Little Prik's response.

Careful with that! My back-of-the-napkin calculations show that reading 200 of his posts can result in clinical idiocy.

500 posts could reduce you to his level.

[Anomalocaris]

They usually posit some version of Gould's NOMA. Not that I can see how it really helps.

Gould thinks giving something to everyone marks him as a deeper and more enlightened thinker, when in fact it just shows his lack of commitment to intellectual rigor when it doesn’t help him sell books.

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I think some of my brain cells just died reading Little Prik's response.

Your brain cells must have died before you started reading his response, otherwise you would have saved your time for more useful things.

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I don't believe neither step on each others toes.

Religion is based on faith, 3rd hand testimonies, and mythology.
Science is based on facts, repeatability, and statistics.

What's the problem?

Religion makes it more likely that science will club people over the head unaware rather than help them out of a tight spot as an trusted ally. Unlike with Christian hell, when science says you will most likely burn, you most likely will.

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If religion and science are 1000% opposite, does that negate the very real scientific advancements made by religionists?

Boru

No, science is true even if it is achieved through rote by people who don’t completely believe it.  That’s how science differs from religion.

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A question just popped in my head, that I think is worth sharing.

I was telling somebody today that horoscopes and astrology make no sense. (And that's why astrology (myths) and astronomy (actual science) were separated way back when - "Evidence: Wikipedia Astronomy and Astrology")

This question goes especially to any religious scientist here.

Question is: If science and religion supposedly didn't oppose each other, then why was science separated from religion?

Science is the study of the natural, physical world. Theology deals with the supernatural/spiritual. They are simply 2 seperate fields, not inherently opposing fields.

No, science is the study of all of what actually is.  Religion is merely the indulgence in wishing thinking and the effort to browbeat others into not pointing out the fiction.


Science is in the business of telling religion which of its make beliefs are bull shit.

[Succubus]

That is all about the great evolution game FM.
A tree produce a seed that one day will become as the tree that produced it in the first place.
God do the same.
He reduce part of his consciousness to a seed level to see it grow and grow until one day it will become like him.
It is said that we are the image of God rightly so but this image is hidden into a seed which is our consciousness.
Because this seed or consciousness is not yet developed to God level is obvious that it need a medium to grow such as matter, plants, animal and humans and obviously we will have to put up with this medium or body until we merge into God consciousness and become one with it.  

[Succubus]

To late to edit that broken link. This one works.

[I_am_not_mafia]

First link worked for me. Second one didn't. Anyway, was funny and appropriate.

[Fireball]

[SteveII]

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Science is the study of the natural, physical world. Theology deals with the supernatural/spiritual. They are simply 2 seperate fields, not inherently opposing fields.

No, science is the study of all of what actually is. [1] Religion is merely the indulgence in wishing thinking and the effort to browbeat others into not pointing out the fiction.


Science is in the business of telling religion which of its make beliefs are bull shit.

That's absolutely false. Not even close--even if you espouse naturalism. You can study mathematics, logic, philosophy, language, art, aesthetics, morality, human rights, etc--all not science. For crying out loud, science itself relies on a particular philosophy of science to even get off the ground--which is not itself science. CL was right. Science is the study of the natural world. By definition it cannot even comment on the supernatural.

[Anomalocaris]

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No, science is the study of all of what actually is. [1] Religion is merely the indulgence in wishing thinking and the effort to browbeat others into not pointing out the fiction.


Science is in the business of telling religion which of its make beliefs are bull shit.

That's absolutely false. Not even close--even if you espouse naturalism. You can study mathematics, logic, philosophy, language, art, aesthetics, morality, human rights, etc--all not science. For crying out loud, science itself relies on a particular philosophy of science to even get off the ground--which is not itself science. CL was right. Science is the study of the natural world. By definition it cannot even comment on the supernatural.

That’s bullshit.  Science studies whether logic is justified by any demonstrably effective application. Without what falls under the preview of science logic is nothing.  Science studies whether particular mode of thinking and reasoning leads to the ends by which these modes are justified.  Without that Philosophy is just masterbation.  Science studies the neurology of appreciation for beauty, that is the ultimate master of aesthetics.  Science assesses whether morality leads to the end by which morality is justified, without this morality is just opinionated assholes opinionating.   Even the ultimate desire that motivates humans in any aspect of their behavior at their most basic level is subject to science.  Science studies what social construct will lead to the desire end, and without this human rights is so much hot air.

Science studies whether any human conceit, be it morality, language, mathematics, logic, philosophy, aesthetics, art, has any validity in the sense of doing even a little bit of that by which it is said to be justified.   And science studies why that conceit arises in the first place at the most fundamental level at which any human thoughts and conceit can be said to form.

If it is there in any sense or reality,  science studies it.

[SteveII]