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What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
#21
RE: What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
(September 14, 2017 at 5:52 pm)Thena323 Wrote: I believe that the remaining believers still get their ice cream, though, according to common interpretations.


But it can only be vanilla, so they feel properly persecuted.
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#22
RE: What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
(September 14, 2017 at 4:12 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(September 14, 2017 at 4:08 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I was raised funditard Pentecostal.  I heard this a LOT.  
OUR group had it right.  The Bible (the King James Protestant Bible, mind you) was literally written by God.  They believed Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were Apostles who walked with Jesus and wrote everything down.  The Bible was infallible, and questioning anything in it could send you to hell.  There were millions of people who were following false doctrines and false prophets.  One could not embrace the world (tv, radio, movies, plays, dancing, most modern fiction) during the week and pretend to be holy on Sunday.   People who did this were going to get a shock when they were sent to hell.
   The rest of the world was evil and sinful.  Other churches had it wrong.  Catholics were idol-worshipers.  Other religions were created by the devil.  The devil was winning.  Only WE were pure and holy.
    It was a very very very very very sick environment.

How the fuck can the devil be winning if the god is all powerful and all knowing?

It points to the god wanting the devil to win.

Not to mention the devil only got 1/3 of the angels on his side. It would be like if in streetball it was 2 on 5 with one of the 5 being Dikembe Mutombo in his prime but that team just can't win.
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#23
RE: What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
(September 14, 2017 at 1:33 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Fundies ruin it for everyone, themselves first of all.  They inherently distrust their own powers of perception and insight so they cling to what is claimed to be authoritative.  Then, pumped up by their slavish devotion to authority, they then regard everyone who hasn't fallen into line with the authority they have chosen and lash out with great conviction and (borrowed) authority.

The great irony in doing so, ofc, is that the very powers of perception and insight which they inherently distrust are the ones which made the determination that the divine "authority" was...in fact, both divine and authoritative.  They're lashing out, with great conviction..at those people who do not trust the same abilities that they themselves do not trust.  Their own ability to make such authoritative pronouncements in the first place.

If they don't trust their own invocations of authority, why should we trust their invocations of any other authority?

"It;s right/wrong because god said so! You can't trust subjective human judgement!"
-Well, okay, but that's why -you- .......subjectively, as a human, think x is right or wrong. If we can't trust such judgement....then.......
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#24
RE: What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
(September 14, 2017 at 10:54 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Depends on the fundamentalist I guess

There is a very strong clue in the title. "Fundamentalist"!

(September 14, 2017 at 1:33 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Fundies ruin it for everyone, themselves first of all.  They inherently distrust their own powers of perception and insight so they cling to what is claimed to be authoritative.  Then, pumped up by their slavish devotion to authority, they then regard everyone who hasn't fallen into line with the authority they have chosen and lash out with great conviction and (borrowed) authority.

The endless enigma. Are those people morons because they are fundies, or are they fundies because they are morons?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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#25
RE: What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
(September 14, 2017 at 4:12 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(September 14, 2017 at 4:08 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I was raised funditard Pentecostal.  I heard this a LOT.  
OUR group had it right.  The Bible (the King James Protestant Bible, mind you) was literally written by God.  They believed Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were Apostles who walked with Jesus and wrote everything down.  The Bible was infallible, and questioning anything in it could send you to hell.  There were millions of people who were following false doctrines and false prophets.  One could not embrace the world (tv, radio, movies, plays, dancing, most modern fiction) during the week and pretend to be holy on Sunday.   People who did this were going to get a shock when they were sent to hell.
   The rest of the world was evil and sinful.  Other churches had it wrong.  Catholics were idol-worshipers.  Other religions were created by the devil.  The devil was winning.  Only WE were pure and holy.
    It was a very very very very very sick environment.

How the fuck can the devil be winning if the god is all powerful and all knowing?

It points to the god wanting the devil to win.
I learned not to ask questions like that by the time I was seven.  Questions were met with scorn and ostracism and a lot of "I'll pray for your lack of faith".
(September 14, 2017 at 4:19 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(September 14, 2017 at 4:08 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I was raised funditard Pentecostal.  I heard this a LOT.  
OUR group had it right.  The Bible (the King James Protestant Bible, mind you) was literally written by God.  They believed Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were Apostles who walked with Jesus and wrote everything down.  The Bible was infallible, and questioning anything in it could send you to hell.  There were millions of people who were following false doctrines and false prophets.  One could not embrace the world (tv, radio, movies, plays, dancing, most modern fiction) during the week and pretend to be holy on Sunday.   People who did this were going to get a shock when they were sent to hell.
   The rest of the world was evil and sinful.  Other churches had it wrong.  Catholics were idol-worshipers.  Other religions were created by the devil.  The devil was winning.  Only WE were pure and holy.
    It was a very very very very very sick environment.

Sounds like a wonderful environment for inbreeding. No one outside the church would meet criteria to be allowed procreation.
Groups actually traveled to revivals and camp meetings to "worship" together.  Many people met future spouses that way.

The schools were church schools.  There was a college, but it was only to train preachers and worship leaders.  They absolutely forbade any of their members to attend secular schools, and nobody needed a college degree.  I'm so grateful that we moved away.

(September 14, 2017 at 7:41 pm)Succubus Wrote:
(September 14, 2017 at 10:54 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Depends on the fundamentalist I guess

There is a very strong clue in the title. "Fundamentalist"!

(September 14, 2017 at 1:33 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Fundies ruin it for everyone, themselves first of all.  They inherently distrust their own powers of perception and insight so they cling to what is claimed to be authoritative.  Then, pumped up by their slavish devotion to authority, they then regard everyone who hasn't fallen into line with the authority they have chosen and lash out with great conviction and (borrowed) authority.

The endless enigma. Are those people morons because they are fundies, or are they fundies because they are morons?

They are brainwashed from an early age and isolated.  They are told that only THEY are going to heaven, and that the world is evil.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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#26
RE: What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
I think you're probably right, though none of them will own it.
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#27
RE: What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
(September 14, 2017 at 9:20 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:
(September 14, 2017 at 4:19 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Sounds like a wonderful environment for inbreeding. No one outside the church would meet criteria to be allowed procreation.
Groups actually traveled to revivals and camp meetings to "worship" together.  Many people met future spouses that way.

The schools were church schools.  There was a college, but it was only to train preachers and worship leaders.  They absolutely forbade any of their members to attend secular schools, and nobody needed a college degree.  I'm so grateful that we moved away.
"Worship together" might just have become my new favorite christian euphemism. 
As in "can we worship together in your rectory?".... "Lets try to worship together where our parents won't catch us.". "It's the wrong time of the month to worship together.".
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#28
RE: What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
mh.brewer Wrote:"Worship together" might just have become my new favorite christian euphemism. 
As in "can we worship together in your rectory?".... "Lets try to worship together where our parents won't catch us.". "It's the wrong time of the month to worship together.".

Would that last one qualify as a blood sacrifice?
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#29
RE: What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
(September 17, 2017 at 5:34 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote:
mh.brewer Wrote:"Worship together" might just have become my new favorite christian euphemism. 
As in "can we worship together in your rectory?".... "Lets try to worship together where our parents won't catch us.". "It's the wrong time of the month to worship together.".

Would that last one qualify as a blood sacrifice?

Only if you're a red wings kinda guy/gal.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#30
RE: What do fundamentalists think about moderates?
(September 14, 2017 at 10:43 am)vorlon13 Wrote: That's the whole point of fundamentalism.  They're the only ones doing it right.

... or, alternatively, they're afraid they might be wrong and so double down on the rules-abiding stuff?

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