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Life is meaningless for Christians?
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RE: Life is meaningless for Christians?
(October 11, 2017 at 10:36 am)Khemikal Wrote: The general idea is that any value system which places some or a significant portion of it's meaning into another or next life is unlikely to have as much of it's meaning derived from -this - life as a value system which is entirely concerned with this life.

I don't see why that would be.  How does it follow, that one would diminish the other?  It seems to me, that it is often non-believers, who say that life has not overarching meaning or purpose.

(October 11, 2017 at 11:43 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(October 11, 2017 at 10:18 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: While I didn't watch the video (only read the transcript) I don't see where you are getting this... from this page.
But that aside, I wouldn't agree, that this life is meaningless from a Christian point of view.  In the Christian view, I see a purpose, reason to be good vs bad, and a trajectory or goal to aspire and look forward to.  This is in addition to any subjective meaning, that could be shared by atheists and theists.  So I don't understand how one would get to less or no meaning when viewing the Christian worldview.

Did you read the very top of the page?  It states, "This life is essentially meaningless. It's what happens at the end."

Ergo, there is NO end!  No afterlife, nothing.  That's what makes this so very sad.

I did see the title, but had seen little in the part labeled transcription that seemed to reflect or expound on that.   Perhaps the transcription left some things out.  But I don't put a lot into short titles.  They don't explain why, or the reasons for that position.  Sometimes they are meant to be provocative and grab your attention; and may not quite accurately reflect the thoughts of the body of text. 

But anyways, I disagree; and I don't think that this type of extreme position is all that common among Christians.
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#52
RE: Life is meaningless for Christians?
Rather it's the non-believers who say that life is its own purpose - though for obvious reasons I'm hardly the best proponent of that. It's usually the believers who say life's purpose is only attainable after death; ergo, that the purpose of life is to be over so as to get the grand prize. Which is to say, no purpose at all in and of itself.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#53
RE: Life is meaningless for Christians?
(October 11, 2017 at 3:31 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't see why that would be.  How does it follow, that one would diminish the other?  It seems to me, that it is often non-believers, who say that life has not overarching meaning or purpose.
It's not an issue of diminishment.  If the meaning you find is not found in this life, but in another life, or in some god in heaven and his wish list, then no matter how much meaning you find there, in that..a person who finds their meaning -in this life- finds more meaning -in this life- than you do.  Ultimately you may both have exactly the same amount of meaning (laying aside that it's kind of silly to quantify meaning this way)...but there's a fairly obvious difference as regards the source. 

To a person who doesn't believe in a god or his wish list, that tracks as having no meaning in life..just as, to you, people who don't believe in the heavenly wish list sounds alot like no meaning.

Quote: It seems to me, that it is often non-believers, who say that life has not overarching meaning or purpose.
Has it ever occurred to you that atheists say that explicitly in response to what you insist is the meaning of life, not to whether or not they find meaning in their lives?    

Quote:I did see the title, but had seen little in the part labeled transcription that seemed to reflect or expound on that.   Perhaps the transcription left some things out.  But I don't put a lot into short titles.  They don't explain why, or the reasons for that position.  Sometimes they are meant to be provocative and grab your attention; and may not quite accurately reflect the thoughts of the body of text. 

But anyways, I disagree; and I don't think that this type of extreme position is all that common among Christians.
It's fundamental to your theology.  Any divergence from it is a divergence from the word of god. I agree that it probably isn't all that common.  Truth be told, nobody's worse at christianity than christians.
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#54
RE: Life is meaningless for Christians?
Do you ever get tired of being wrong about everything huggie
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: Life is meaningless for Christians?
(October 10, 2017 at 7:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(October 10, 2017 at 12:08 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If that's what you would do, if you were religious..then..quixotically, religion needs more people like you.  Not giving a shit about anything isn't something you do "as an atheist" ,however.  Your meaningless life has nothing to do with atheism, that's all you.

I disagree, an atheist really can't claim that life began by total accident and then claim life has a purpose...  what is the endgame exactly?

If we look at animals for instance we can see their purpose within an ecosystem, there is a reason for example that predators exist.
https://www.livingwithwolves.org/about-w...es-matter/
Quote:Wolves play a very important role in the ecosystems in which they live. Since 1995, when wolves were reintroduced to the American West, research has shown that in many places they have helped revitalize and restore ecosystems. They improve habitat and increase populations of countless species from birds of prey to pronghorn, and even trout. The presence of wolves influences the population and behavior of their prey, changing the browsing and foraging patterns of prey animals and how they move about the land. This, in turn, ripples throughout plant and animal communities, often altering the landscape itself. For this reason wolves are described as a “keystone species,” whose presence is vital to maintaining the health, structure and balance of ecosystems.


The purpose of the human being is to serve God-

Unsupported assertion.  Just sayin.  😏
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#56
RE: Life is meaningless for Christians?
That's just his native language.  Wink
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#57
RE: Life is meaningless for Christians?
Huggies been wrong about miracles. Everyone's either a well known fraud . (Yewah ) A medical error (Hickey) are a massive controversy (Tavish) 

Huggies Wrong about science  . Hell even his quote in the signature  he so proudly puts up makes him look like  a fool . 

Huggies wrong about placebo's and i put no fewer 20 papers that prove it. 

He's constantly wrong about Atheism and other religions (Seriously he does not even know Janism accepts the old Hindu trinity)

He thinks a Sherlock Holmes quote is a good epistemology (thou it's a logical fallacy ) 

He thinks Carl Sagan would back him up. 

He thinks Atheism caused the heavens gate cult

He thinks that if you capitalize god it menns something  

And the rare time he has won that anything here was because the Atheist he was debating made a mistake .Not because he made any profound  point.
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: Life is meaningless for Christians?
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#59
RE: Life is meaningless for Christians?
(October 12, 2017 at 4:42 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: [Image: cEtk2VV.gif]

Is this what you like before or after speaking in tongues?
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RE: Life is meaningless for Christians?
(October 10, 2017 at 10:13 pm)Astreja Wrote:
(October 10, 2017 at 7:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I disagree, an atheist really can't claim that life began by total accident and then claim life has a purpose...  what is the endgame exactly?

No endgame required.  I don't care if my life has some overarching purpose; it's more important that my actions have purposes, plural.

Quote:The purpose of the human being is to serve God, and you accomplish that by living for others. If you live a selfish lifestyle then your life IS meaningless. Not to say there aren't selfish so-called Christians, but an atheist ideology could indeed influence one to lead or believe they lead a meaningless life.

Not interested in living out an alleged purpose assigned to me by a fictional entity.  You, sirrah, do not get to dictate my meaning.

All is vanity.

I'm not dictating anything sweetie, I'm simply stating fact. Everything you do, I don't care how important you believe it to be, means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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