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There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
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RE: There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
(November 4, 2017 at 11:45 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(November 4, 2017 at 10:55 pm)Fireball Wrote: OJ was just another form of entertainment, being an American footballer (not an actor), but your point still stands.

I seem to recall an old ditty about "Another star is born on the casting couch". Dodgy

It seems that deference/worship to/of royalty/religion still exists in the US, whether it is royalty/religion/sports or TV. Parse that at your own peril! Tongue

I do personally consider OJ part of the Hollywood circle; after all, He did have a sizable filmography, including supporting roles in the Naked Gun trilogy, And a brief role in the first episode of Roots. And Then, his murder trial became its own form of entertainment, one that has come to dominate the news media's rhetoric on celebrity crime, one that seems to revel in the prospect of someone accused of a crime being punished.

 When I was younger, my mother used to watch a block on HLN I liked to call "Two Hours Hate," because, as different as Jane Velez-Mitchell and Nancy Grace may seem at first glance, their shows were largely interchangeable, two women reporting on crimes with such vitriol that you almost began to feel sorry for the monsters they rightly reviled. And it stopped being almost when it turned out some of the people they fingered Were actually innocent (see the Duke Lacrosse scandal and Grace's reporting of the Elizabeth Smart case for more details.) it became clear that's they didn't really care who was guilty or innocent just as long as someone was punished for the horrific deed of the week. 

Both shows are off the air, but I'm concerned that this mentality seems to be alive and well when we talk about such scandals. I just hope we can take the time and investigate what happened before we jump the gun and decide someone's guilty or innocent. At this point, it seems very likely that Spacey's guilty, but jumping to conclusions (especially in matters like this) is a fundamentally dangerous thing, even if those conclusions are right, and it is statistically far more likely than not that the people who come forward are telling the truth. Let's just see where the evidence takes us beforehand we break out the pitchforks. I hear the London PD are looking into it. Let's see what they have to say.
This concerned me as well.  For instance, when the first accusation was made public, Netflix suspended Spacey.  I thought, I hope one accusation does not ruin a person, because accusers can be false, and there was no evidence.  
But then the floodgates opened and it's up to like 10 people now.  At that point you gotta realize, that's a lot of people to jump a band wagon and/or lie publically about this.  So I understand Netflix behaving more as if he is guilty. 

As it is, sexual misconduct is often swept under the rug even for normal folks, let alone celebrities.  IDK how to make sure we avoid falsely ruining people while at the same time not ignoring accusers.  It's a tricky tight rope to walk.
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RE: There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
(November 4, 2017 at 12:12 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Everyone in America should look up Jimmy Savile in the UK because this is how it will go down. I've been saying it since Bill Cosby was exposed. Expect a number of your childhood heroes to be exposed as sexual predators. Expect more because celebrities are worshiped in America and thus get away with far more.

Yes, you will start to hear the name of beloved stars of yester year on the radio mentioned out of no where and you will think the same thing every time "dead or sexual predator" because those are the options.



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#23
RE: There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
"When you're a star, they let you do it. You can grab them by the p*ssy." - President of USA
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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#24
RE: There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
(November 4, 2017 at 11:45 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(November 4, 2017 at 10:55 pm)Fireball Wrote: OJ was just another form of entertainment, being an American footballer (not an actor), but your point still stands.

I seem to recall an old ditty about "Another star is born on the casting couch". Dodgy

It seems that deference/worship to/of royalty/religion still exists in the US, whether it is royalty/religion/sports or TV. Parse that at your own peril! Tongue

I do personally consider OJ part of the Hollywood circle; after all, He did have a sizable filmography, including supporting roles in the Naked Gun trilogy, And a brief role in the first episode of Roots. And Then, his murder trial became its own form of entertainment, one that has come to dominate the news media's rhetoric on celebrity crime, one that seems to revel in the prospect of someone accused of a crime being punished.

 When I was younger, my mother used to watch a block on HLN I liked to call "Two Hours Hate," because, as different as Jane Velez-Mitchell and Nancy Grace may seem at first glance, their shows were largely interchangeable, two women reporting on crimes with such vitriol that you almost began to feel sorry for the monsters they rightly reviled. And it stopped being almost when it turned out some of the people they fingered Were actually innocent (see the Duke Lacrosse scandal and Grace's reporting of the Elizabeth Smart case for more details.) it became clear that's they didn't really care who was guilty or innocent just as long as someone was punished for the horrific deed of the week. 

Both shows are off the air, but I'm concerned that this mentality seems to be alive and well when we talk about such scandals. I just hope we can take the time and investigate what happened before we jump the gun and decide someone's guilty or innocent. At this point, it seems very likely that Spacey's guilty, but jumping to conclusions (especially in matters like this) is a fundamentally dangerous thing, even if those conclusions are right, and it is statistically far more likely than not that the people who come forward are telling the truth. Let's just see where the evidence takes us beforehand we break out the pitchforks. I hear the London PD are looking into it. Let's see what they have to say.

Oh, yeah. He was in movies, too. I forgot about that. And yeah, until some serious facts (which now seem to be emerging) surface, people should be given some room. But the people in the US (where I live) love to see dirt, even if it isn't there. Otoh, they idolize crime figures. Take Bonnie and Clyde, for example. Or the criminal-in-chief stumbling around the White House.
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RE: There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
(November 4, 2017 at 5:52 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: And also like father like son you "if women can't take degrading jokes about them then they don't belong on the workforce and should work at kindergarten"



This makes me ill. I couldn't get through it all.
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#26
RE: There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
The asshole in chief is also, never forget, a reality TV celebrity. It was that, not his hotels and his steaks (or his ugly ties) that won him the adoration of "middle America". It's funny, 'cause they claim to hate Hollywood, but they keep electing celebrities!
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#27
RE: There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
Michael Jackson, some people still don't believe.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#28
RE: There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
(November 5, 2017 at 5:59 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: "When you're a star, they let you do it. You can grab them by the p*ssy." - President of USA

Indeed, being a sexual predator didn't do trump any harm now did it.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








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RE: There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
(November 5, 2017 at 12:04 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(November 5, 2017 at 5:59 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: "When you're a star, they let you do it. You can grab them by the p*ssy." - President of USA

Indeed, being a sexual predator didn't do trump any harm now did it.

No, but it looks as if his being a self-serving, dishonest, incompetent jackass may do for him what being an entitled sexual predator couldn't.
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#30
RE: There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)
(November 5, 2017 at 12:04 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(November 5, 2017 at 5:59 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: "When you're a star, they let you do it. You can grab them by the p*ssy." - President of USA

Indeed, being a sexual predator didn't do trump any harm now did it.

Money talks. I know people who exist solely for the purpose of separating other people from it, and others who hang around rich people just to have some rub off. Look at the riff raff in the White House. People will sell out their beliefs in a heartbeat for some filthy lucre.
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