There goes Kevin Spacey's career (Sexual misconduct)

[Catholic_Lady]

Michael Jackson, some people still don't believe.

I must admit, I didn't for a long time bc he was acquitted in court and they said they had never found any type of child porn in his possession. I thought those kids' parents were getting confessions out of them for money.

[Rev. Rye]

Michael Jackson, some people still don't believe.

I must admit, I didn't for a long time bc he was acquitted in court and they said they had never found any type of child porn in his possession. I thought those kids' parents were getting confessions out of them for money.

Honestly, when He was still alive, I suspected that he was likely guilty. However, After the Jimmy Savile scandal broke (I read the NME for my music columnist job at Anglotopia, and I was hired just before the scandal went public), I noticed that, unlike Jimmy Savile, there didn't seem to be a floodgate of new allegations against him (or, indeed, any) now that he was dead. Then I looked further into it (as CL said, the behavior of the parents was suspect and multiple probes of the Neverlajd Ranch found nothing illegal; No CP, but quite a bit of Barely Legal) and I conceded that there didn't seem to be any evidence against him that wasn't consistent with someone who A) had an inordinate obsession with childhood's innocence due to not having had a childhood himself, and B) as a consequence of the reasons behind A, had nothing in the way of proper social skills to deal with it in a sane way.

At this point, my conclusion is Michael Jackson had a lot of mental problems, but it seems full-on pedophilia is not actually one of them.

[FFaith]

The idea that MJ just wanted to live like a child because he missed his own childhood doesn't add up to me. What males here slept in the same bed with their male friends as kids? What young boys hold hands with other boys like Michael did? I think he was probably a hebephile rather than pedophile. I don't know if he did anything or not. All I know is the man could sing and dance, and that's all that matters when it comes to me enjoying the art.

[Aroura]

I don’t know about MJ. He was an odd enough person with an unusual enough childhood that comparing his behavior to normal folks is pointless. As far as I’m aware, no actual evidence came out, only a few accusations. A decade after his death, and nothing.

I’m not going to consider myself well enough informed or equipped to judge him or any of them, including Trump or Spacey, on accusations alone. Evidence, like confessions for instance, are a different story.

[Rev. Rye]

The idea that MJ just wanted to live like a child because he missed his own childhood doesn't add up to me. What males here slept in the same bed with their male friends as kids? What young boys hold hands with other boys like Michael did? I think he was probably a hebephile rather than pedophile. I don't know if he did anything or not. All I know is the man could sing and dance, and that's all that matters when it comes to me enjoying the art.

The crucial thing to understand is that factors (from his poor childhood to his heavy isolation, which only became worse in his later years) combined to make sure Michael Jackson did not have much in the way of social skills into adulthood; it appears he created a strange idea of what childhood should be like that didn't necessarily reflect anything that happened in reality. Following the saga of Chris-Chan, and how CWC seems to have created a very strange view of how the world works that's matched in its preposterousness only by Chris's headstrong insistence that it's 100% correct and if reality doesn't fit with those assumptions, it's on the world to change it, not Chris, it would appear Michael Jackson's mind worked in much the same way.

That last sentence, however, certainly rings true: an artist's work should be judged not on the artist's character, but by the work's own merits. By all accounts, Adam Sandler is a nice guy, really courteous, and apparently, the animation director of Eight Crazy Nights was really so enamored of the way Adam Sandler interacted with him and the crew that it took a long time before he figured  out it was a piece of shit. That doesn't make the majority of his work any less shit.

Meanwhile, if you really believe a work of art loses its appeal once it turns out one of the leading lights behind it is horrible human being, well, if you own a copy of The Wizard of Oz, destroy it, and if you don't, never watch it again. And in any case, thank your lucky stars Shirley Temple had the sense to laugh at Arthur Freed's mighty sword.

“First we get rid of the baby fat,” said the little man seated behind the wide desk. “Then new hair. Teach you to belt a song, and some decent dancing.” . . .

Best known as producer of the blockbusting The Wizard of Oz, Freed was rumored in some adult circles to have an adventuresome casting couch. At the time I knew none of this, not would I have recognized such furniture even when sitting on one. To visit an executive of such stature was enough to send my spirits soaring.

“I have something made for just you,” he continued, fumbling in his lap. “You’ll be my new star!” That phrase had last been used when I was three years old in Kid in Hollywood. Obviously, Freed did not believe in preliminaries. With his face gaped in a smile, he stood up abruptly and executed a bizarre flourish of clothing. Having thought of him as a producer rather than an exhibitor, I sat bolt upright . . . Not twelve years old, I still had little appreciation for masculine versatility and so dramatic was the leap between schoolgirl speculation and Freed’s bedazzling exposure that I reacted with nervous laughter. Disdain or terror he might have expected, but not the insult of humor.

“Get out!” he shouted, unmindful of his disarray, imperiously pointing to the closed door. “Go on, get out!”

[FFaith]

We don't have enough to say whether he did anything, but I think we have enough to say that he was attracted to kids/ teens. Books of nude children found at his home, sleeping with kids, holding their hands, and having his penis correctly described to police by a kid. He clearly liked kids, and was pretty cocky about it too I think, by holding boys hands during interviews and just not giving a fuck. He acted as if he was untouchable. Still love his music though.

[Fake Messiah]

So Spacey is being cut out out of his newest movie and replaced with Christopher Plummer And I just had a flashback. I remember years ago I happened to watch Oprah episode in which all the actors from "Sound Of Music" got together to celebrate that movie's anniversary. At one point one of the actresses that played one of the girls in the movie said to Plummer that at the time she was totally in love with him and he said "So what was the number of your hotel room?" which implies that he wanted to have sex with a minor or in other words commit sexual assault and now he's....  

[Catholic_Lady]

We don't have enough to say whether he did anything, but I think we have enough to say that he was attracted to kids/ teens. Books of nude children found at his home, sleeping with kids, holding their hands, and having his penis correctly described to police by a kid. He clearly liked kids, and was pretty cocky about it too I think, by holding boys hands during interviews and just not giving a fuck. He acted as if he was untouchable. Still love his music though.

What kind of books were these? I thought they didn't find child porn?

[Rev. Rye]

We don't have enough to say whether he did anything, but I think we have enough to say that he was attracted to kids/ teens. Books of nude children found at his home, sleeping with kids, holding their hands, and having his penis correctly described to police by a kid. He clearly liked kids, and was pretty cocky about it too I think, by holding boys hands during interviews and just not giving a fuck. He acted as if he was untouchable. Still love his music though.

What kind of books were these? I thought they didn't find child porn?

http://michaeljacksonallegations.com/boo...ion/#books

This contains an inventory of books, DVDs, Magazines, and computer files the police took from the Neverland Ranch during the two trials. Nothing illegal was actually found, though some of it certainly raised eyebrows. The closest thing to child porn came in some art books that featured nude boys. It turns out that pictures of nude boys are not actually illegal in and of themselves. If they were, the Criterion Collection would have been annihilated, since at least two movies they featured, Walkabout and Powaqqatsi include shots of young boys fully nude. It should be noted the nudity in both cases was more National Geographic, with Walkabout's being an Aboriginal Australian, and Powaqqatsi's most likely being African, and neither of them appear to be particularly sexualised, although it's a bit eyebrow-raising to see Philip Glass writing some stately music for a scene where a naked boy is walking through the water. That said, I shudder to think of the movie viewer who sees Geoffrey Reggio's take on the conflict between globalisation and traditional lifestyles and thinks it's a good substitute for child porn.