Travis Walton versus The Resurrection.

[Fake Messiah]

Seems you know things about Paul others do not, then it could be that you know nothing about what he teaches. Tell me this, you should have the answer since you seem to know all about what the Bible teaches. Why did the writer of Genesis know that the stars were innumerable when only about 6000 stars are visible to the human eye? The ancient people knew that the stars were numerable because they studied them, they were more observable of the stars then they the common man of today even with all our knowledge. Most people do not know that only 6000 stars are visible with the naked eye.

lol you're really diverting the subject here. What you don't want to talk how crazy Paul was? I don't know where writer of Genesis says that stars are innumerable but it was perhaps because he didn't know how to count because he didn't even know real shape of the Earth - for starters. Earth in the Genesis and other parts is described Earth in Genesis as flat area of extent large enough to hold those Kingdoms known to the Biblical writers with heaven being a semispherical vault that nestles down over the earth, so humans seem to live on the floor of a world that is inside a hollow semisphere.

[Succubus]

 ...Why did the writer of Genesis know that the stars were innumerable when only about 6000 stars are visible to the human eye? The ancient people knew that the stars were numerable because they studied them, they were more observable of the stars then they the common man of today even with all our knowledge. Most people do not know that only 6000 stars are visible with the naked eye.

Is it possible to count six thousand stars with the naked eye? No it's not, that makes the six thousand stars innumerable.

[downbeatplumb]

That's how I feel about all religion.

It's your right, given to you by the God you reject.

I don't "reject" god so much as thinks its a silly idea.

Like arm fall off boy. A lesser known super hero. Can you guess his power?
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[Jehanne]

Your "reasoning" is circular.  How do you know that Paul was inspired as opposed to being just another 1st-century loon?  Why not just say that he was just another nutjob like Travis Walton, except 2,000 years earlier in time?

Because what Paul taught us about God has been experienced by me, revealed by the Holy Spirit. I have found what Paul said to be true in my life. Paul never claimed to have seen space ships that couldn't have made a journey across the galaxy, he did claim to experience the supernatural God and creator of the universe as billions have over the last 2000 years.

GC

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I think that this is an incredibly stupid reason to believe, because you think that you are "inspired" by some nonexistent entity via the words of some dead individual.  No different than Ron Hubbard believing that he was communing with a dead Neanderthal from 50K years ago.

[Godscreated]

That's how I feel about all religion.

It's your right, given to you by the God you reject.

I don't "reject" god so much as thinks its a silly idea.

Like arm fall off boy. A lesser known super hero. Can you guess his power?
.

 You totally reject God according to Jesus, He said either you are with me or you are against me. With God there is no inbetween. rejection of God is far more serious than put an name to it like silly idea.

 You must not read much I've said over the years, I do not deal in silly notions like your above character.

GC

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Because what Paul taught us about God has been experienced by me, revealed by the Holy Spirit. I have found what Paul said to be true in my life. Paul never claimed to have seen space ships that couldn't have made a journey across the galaxy, he did claim to experience the supernatural God and creator of the universe as billions have over the last 2000 years.

GC

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I think that this is an incredibly stupid reason to believe, because you think that you are "inspired" by some nonexistent entity via the words of some dead individual.  No different than Ron Hubbard believing that he was communing with a dead Neanderthal from 50K years ago.

 Seems Mr. Hubbard has a problem, dead men are dead. On the other hand my Savior lives and I have a living relationship with Him. I came to Him because I was drawn to Him and then found Him to be who He says He is. You on the other hand have a problem, you presume to know that God doesn't exist, do you not. Yet you haven't any evidence He doesn't, you are taking a big chance on not knowing nothing, kinda' irresponsible to yourself me thinks.

 GC

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Seems you know things about Paul others do not, then it could be that you know nothing about what he teaches. Tell me this, you should have the answer since you seem to know all about what the Bible teaches. Why did the writer of Genesis know that the stars were innumerable when only about 6000 stars are visible to the human eye? The ancient people knew that the stars were numerable because they studied them, they were more observable of the stars then they the common man of today even with all our knowledge. Most people do not know that only 6000 stars are visible with the naked eye.

lol you're really diverting the subject here. What you don't want to talk how crazy Paul was? I don't know where writer of Genesis says that stars are innumerable but it was perhaps because he didn't know how to count because he didn't even know real shape of the Earth - for starters. Earth in the Genesis and other parts is described Earth in Genesis as flat area of extent large enough to hold those Kingdoms known to the Biblical writers with heaven being a semispherical vault that nestles down over the earth, so humans seem to live on the floor of a world that is inside a hollow semisphere.

 Well if you do not know that the Bible speaks of the innumerable stars then why should anyone believe what you say about the Bible speaking of a flat earth, it doesn't and it's been shown here and by Bible scholars. You need to get out of your little sealed up world of lies and join the rest of us who know the truth. You didn't answer my question by the way and no the answer he couldn't count doesn't hold water because you conveniently forget he wrote the book and thus he would have the ability to count.

GC

[Jehanne]

I don't "reject" god so much as thinks its a silly idea.

Like arm fall off boy. A lesser known super hero. Can you guess his power?
.

 You totally reject God according to Jesus, He said either you are with me or you are against me. With God there is no inbetween. rejection of God is far more serious than put an name to it like silly idea.

 You must not read much I've said over the years, I do not deal in silly notions like your above character.

GC

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I think that Jesus was a Jewish apocalyptic prophet who started life in northern Galilee, but after preaching the end of the world and the deliverance by god from the Romans by the "Son of Man" (likely, an angelic being), he was encouraged by his followers to take his message to Jerusalem.  Shortly after arriving, Jesus went to the Temple, and after hearing him, some Jews took offense; there was an altercation, and Jesus was promptly arrested by the Roman authorities.  They examined him, and likely found him to be a deranged individual; after consulting with the local Jewish authorities (Roman federalism), Jesus was deemed a threat to the public order.  Pilate signed the order (likely, without ever meeting Jesus personally), and a Roman guard administered his punishment.  Once dead Jesus' body was removed from the cross and deposed of in a common grave, likely, being mutilated by wild dogs.

The rest of Jesus' story is legend and embellishment.  i don't believe that he ever said anything close to what you are claiming.

[Fake Messiah]

Well if you do not know that the Bible speaks of the innumerable stars then why should anyone believe what you say about the Bible speaking of a flat earth, it doesn't and it's been shown here and by Bible scholars. You need to get out of your little sealed up world of lies and join the rest of us who know the truth. You didn't answer my question by the way and no the answer he couldn't count doesn't hold water because you conveniently forget he wrote the book and thus he would have the ability to count.

GC

What the fuck are you talking about?  In book of Genesis stars during the making are only mentioned "he made the stars also." Then the next time stars are mentioned in book of Genesis is when god is saying to Abram "Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them" and Abram apparently counted them because the later verse goes "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness."

[Jehanne]

Some Christians do, indeed, believe that the Bible teaches a flat earth:

http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/06/t...-from.html

but, not Kent Hovind!

http://www.philipstallings.com/2017/09/t...hilip.html

[Sal]

Polygraph tests aren't worth shit.

[Harry Nevis]

I don't "reject" god so much as thinks its a silly idea.

Like arm fall off boy. A lesser known super hero. Can you guess his power?
.

 You totally reject God according to Jesus, He said either you are with me or you are against me. With God there is no inbetween. rejection of God is far more serious than put an name to it like silly idea.

 You must not read much I've said over the years, I do not deal in silly notions like your above character.

GC

So, according to the rules god made, it's not me that is rejecting him, it's the fact that he made the only choices he will accept either/or.  I can be a good person and not find the evidence given for his existence believable (using the powers of logic and observation he supposedly gave me), but he sees this as rejection, and I will suffer mightily for it.

What a bastard.