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RE: White Guy Self-Identifies as Filipino Woman
November 22, 2017 at 9:40 pm
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(November 22, 2017 at 8:23 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: (November 22, 2017 at 8:11 pm)Hammy Wrote: The article actually makes sense. And sure, you're unable to make sense of it, but that is hardly surprising considering that you can't even grasp a basic understanding of logical fallacies in a debate about anything at all.
That's an ad hominem. The articimakes sense because I'm too dumb to understand it? Nice logic skills. Defend it on it's own ground.
My bold. Thanks for demonstrating my point for me so I don't have to.
And no, the article doesn't make sense because you're too dumb to understand it. The article makes sense because it says things that actually make sense. There is no connection between whether the article makes sense and how dumb you are. I merely stated that I was not surprised that you are unable to grasp the logic in the article when you can't even grasp basic logical fallacies. As you continue to demonstrate by failing to have the nuance to differentiate an insult from the Ad Hominem Fallacy and to differentiate a lack of surprise at someone believing that someone seems to be unable to grasp something when they personally think the person in question isn't very good at grasping things in general, from actually making a fallacious argument by attacking the person and ignoring the argument being made. To make a fallacious argument it would require for me to at least make an argument in the first place. I wasn't making an argument. I was stating an opinion. And I didn't need to make an argument it turns out, because you made my argument for me, by continuing to demonstrate that you don't understand logical fallacies. This does NOT mean that you THEREFORE don't understand the article. That is not what I said. I said I wasn't surprised, and I am indeed not surprised. I am not surprised that you don't understand things when you're this bad at logic. And yes, I do have nice logic skills. Yours suck.
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RE: White Guy Self-Identifies as Filipino Woman
November 23, 2017 at 2:07 am
(November 15, 2017 at 12:41 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Some dude in Florida has decided that not only is he a she but that he is also a Filipino.
HERE
While there may be some justification in believing that some people with male genitals have female brain structures*, I cannot think of any way to justify the notion that people can be whatever race they want to be, other than recognizing 'race' as the social construct that it actually is. Do liberal/progressive types think this kind of post-modern approach to identity is valid?
*The notion that there is a specifically female brain seems like a can of worms for feminism.
Race is not a social construct and neither is gender. Your genetics do, in fact, date back to different societies. Race even sometimes comes with certain characteristics(other than appearance, which obviously makes race stand out) such as Native Americans being more prone to alcoholism. It isn't a social construct.
However, your race has no affect on your intelligence or the way you act, therefore you cannot be trans-racial.
As opposed to gender. Men and women have different brain structures, which means it is not a social construct, which means gender dysphoria can(and is) a real disorder(which is why transgenderism is a thing).
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RE: White Guy Self-Identifies as Filipino Woman
November 23, 2017 at 9:00 am
Yeah I agree race and gender/sex are not social constructs. The idea that they are, to me, is absolutely ridiculous.
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RE: White Guy Self-Identifies as Filipino Woman
November 23, 2017 at 11:47 am
When people talk about gender though, they are often referring to gender identity, which is different.
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RE: White Guy Self-Identifies as Filipino Woman
November 23, 2017 at 4:23 pm
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Quote:Yeah I agree race and gender/sex are not social constructs. The idea that they are, to me, is absolutely ridiculous.
Well the fact that they are does not care .
(November 23, 2017 at 11:47 am)Hammy Wrote: When people talk about gender though, they are often referring to gender identity, which is different.
It's nice too see someone does their homework on this stuff
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RE: White Guy Self-Identifies as Filipino Woman
November 23, 2017 at 4:46 pm
Well, if gender identity were biological, people wouldn't be able to identify themselves as anything other than what they are biologically. The fact people often identify as something different to how they are biologically, shows that gender identity is something different to sex.
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RE: White Guy Self-Identifies as Filipino Woman
November 23, 2017 at 5:25 pm
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(November 23, 2017 at 4:46 pm)Hammy Wrote: Well, if gender identity were biological, people wouldn't be able to identify themselves as anything other than what they are biologically. The fact people often identify as something different to how they are biologically, shows that gender identity is something different to sex.
Yup and considering said identity goes beyond mere self identification this just backs that more . As i said gender essentialism is bunk .
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RE: White Guy Self-Identifies as Filipino Woman
November 23, 2017 at 5:29 pm
(November 23, 2017 at 5:25 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: (November 23, 2017 at 4:46 pm)Hammy Wrote: Well, if gender identity were biological, people wouldn't be able to identify themselves as anything other than what they are biologically. The fact people often identify as something different to how they are biologically, shows that gender identity is something different to sex.
Yup and considering said identity goes beyond mere self identification this just backs that more . As i said gender essentialism is bunk .
Were you running out of room for that sentence
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RE: White Guy Self-Identifies as Filipino Woman
November 23, 2017 at 5:31 pm
I really cannot state strongly enough how annoying it is when people state their uneducated, armchair formed opinion (when they don't even seem to understand the terms being used, and use them interchangeably when they simply aren't) as if that opinion is equally as valid as decades of medical and psychological research, scientific evidence, studies, and peer reviews.
It seems to me as one of the worst forms of modern self aggrandizement and self centeredness.
This is the flaw we were discussing in idealizing faith based belief. /disgusted and saddened
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RE: White Guy Self-Identifies as Filipino Woman
November 23, 2017 at 5:52 pm
(November 23, 2017 at 5:29 pm)Cod Wrote: (November 23, 2017 at 5:25 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Yup and considering said identity goes beyond mere self identification this just backs that more . As i said gender essentialism is bunk .
Were you running out of room for that sentence
Sorry just copying a section from my earlier post somehow that shrunk it
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