Al Franken is latest to be accused of sexual assault

[vorlon13]

I know this is going to come off fucked up, but I find myself wishing to goodness we had a picture of Franken grabbing a pussy.

Imagine . . . . .



(no offense intended towards women!)

[Martian Mermaid]

Hmm he said that he went into the changing rooms of teenage beauty contestants which was specifically a complaint against him.
He also said that he would grab "women by the pussy" and he has been accused of inappropriate touching.

He said he did the things he's been accused of then says he didn't mean it.

I am not aware of any accusations he just grabbed a woman by the vagina.  Accusations of inappropriate touching and just grabbing women by the vagina willy-nilly are two different things.  This is one of the reasons Trump won.  You have a clearly shitty person in Trump based on reality.  But instead of just focusing on that, so many of the arguments against him were hyperbolic accusations.  (i take it back, I see there was an accusation of vagina grabbing)

Just like the teen beauty contest thing.  He said he walked into the adult pageant changing rooms.  Still shady as fuck, but you're saying he said he went into teen pageants, which isn't true.  And now instead of us agreeing he's a sketchy perv, we're talking about you being misleading.

WASHINGTON — As women have come forward to say that Donald J. Trump groped them without their consent in places like New York and Florida, the claims have raised interest in the legal rules about such contact

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/us/po...w-say.html

Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart/....qfXw1ZN8J

You were saying?

The trouble is Trump really is that bad, but for some reason people defend him saying its hyperbole when actually he just is the worst.

By the way I'm not American so its a bit like watching a friend make a poor girlfriend choice.
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Your sources are from very liberal leaning publications and are likely to say anything bad they can, exaggerating the truth. What do your sources' sources say? Are the articles being honest? 
I'm not trying to argue with you, I just want to know if the articles are accurate.

[John V]

Franken isn't just a boob man, likes butts too...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/another-wom...opriately/

[Martian Mermaid]

Wasn't there more than a kiss? A kiss is not so bad, but more than that can be pretty creepy, witnesses around or not, if you feel like you can't stop them. It can still be pretty upsetting.

I've definitely not seen and read everything there is the see and read on this. But everything that I have seen and read on it so far described one very inappropriate kiss, presumably in a public setting with witnesses and the picture in which his hands were very much 'in her personal space' but also very much not actually touching her. I'm aware of no other accusations beyond that.

Sexual assault victim need to be believed. No question about that. She claims that to this day, her fists clench up at the sight of him or the mention of his name or whatever. From one inappropriate kiss. She claims that so I believe her. But I also believe that tells me one of two things. Either that was one hell of a kiss the likes of which I've never known, or there's more to the story behind the clinched fists. And if there is more to the story, that's her business so if she doesn't want to reveal it, she doesn't have to. Her choice. But she's also going to have to live with the fact that short of other information, the choice to include the tidbit about the clenched fists over one kiss in her story is bound to make some suspicious of her credibility.

Yeah, maybe there's more to it. And I understand 100% if she does not feel like sharing. Sexual assault is very personal and unfortunate.

[GUBU]

I've read Franken's Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot, and Al Franken; Giant of the Senate.  Enjoyed both immensely.  Was sufficiently impressed with Giant/Senate to feel (along with Geraldo Rivera) the Franken has some presidential fortitude lurking beneath the comedic exterior.

But he's not uniquely qualified for a run in 2020.

Hell, the 'pubs fielded 16 or 17 serious contenders in 2016, I'm boggled why there aren't more Dem names being floated now.  Hell, Hillary's name came up again yesterday for 2020.  Sheesh, Obama and Trumply have both clobbered her, both have it well documented how they did it, Hillary has made it abundantly clear she learned nothing from her defeat in 2008 to Obama and I'll note 'past is prolog' to assert she learned nothing from 2016 either.  Why is bandwidth even being wasted on her now that we are on the cusp of 2018?

Hell, let's rustle the bushes and see if we can't stir up some names, lotsa names, for 2020 !!

You're wrong about the 'traitors. They may have run 16 or 17 candidates, but none of them were serious.

[downbeatplumb]

I am not aware of any accusations he just grabbed a woman by the vagina.  Accusations of inappropriate touching and just grabbing women by the vagina willy-nilly are two different things.  This is one of the reasons Trump won.  You have a clearly shitty person in Trump based on reality.  But instead of just focusing on that, so many of the arguments against him were hyperbolic accusations.  (i take it back, I see there was an accusation of vagina grabbing)

Just like the teen beauty contest thing.  He said he walked into the adult pageant changing rooms.  Still shady as fuck, but you're saying he said he went into teen pageants, which isn't true.  And now instead of us agreeing he's a sketchy perv, we're talking about you being misleading.

WASHINGTON — As women have come forward to say that Donald J. Trump groped them without their consent in places like New York and Florida, the claims have raised interest in the legal rules about such contact

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/us/po...w-say.html

Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart/....qfXw1ZN8J

You were saying?

The trouble is Trump really is that bad, but for some reason people defend him saying its hyperbole when actually he just is the worst.

By the way I'm not American so its a bit like watching a friend make a poor girlfriend choice.

Your sources are from very liberal leaning publications and are likely to say anything bad they can, exaggerating the truth. What do your sources' sources say? Are the articles being honest? 
I'm not trying to argue with you, I just want to know if the articles are accurate.
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But they are legitimate news sources and are required to tell actual news and not random Russian trolls.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/...ked-in-on/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/201...geant.html

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-new...g-w444592/

https://www.salon.com/2016/10/12/former-...g-outfits/

seems to check out.

The telegraph is a right wing British paper by the way.

[John V]

Stallone update. No new accusers. Brigitte Nielsen, his ex-wife, says they were newly married at that time and she was nearly inseparable from Stallone during the filming of the movie. Also the guy who supposedly introduced the accuser to Stallone says it never happened. Personally I'm giving Stallone the benefit of the doubt at this point.

[Brian37]

Franken isn't just a boob man, likes butts too...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/another-wom...opriately/

Yea and he also owned up to his actions, the same cannot be said for 45.

[John V]

Yea and he also owned up to his actions

He admitted to the photograph, as that can't be denied. He disputed the other accounts or claimed no memory to my knowledge. That isn't owning up. And if he didn't do those things, he shouldn't.

[Brian37]

Yea and he also owned up to his actions

He admitted to the photograph, as that can't be denied. He disputed the other accounts or claimed no memory to my knowledge. That isn't owning up. And if he didn't do those things, he shouldn't.

Yes it is buttwipe. Admitting wrong to specific events does not mean you are guilty of everything. 16 women accused 45 of not just grouping, but also RAPE. Name me one of those 16 45 said he was sorry for. 

And look at the photograph closely, he isn't grouping but pretending as a joke. Was it funny? No. Should he have done it? No.

If you want to pull this bullshit tit for tat crap, the difference between the left and the right when BOTH do this, is that the left calls out it's own at a far quicker pace. 

Your politicians deny and never admit. Cant have it both ways. If you don't like Al doing what he did, then you have even more of a responsibility to crawl up 45's ass because he is the top leader of our country.

45 has never apologized for anything he has done even when it is clearly mean, shitty and vindictive.