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RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
November 18, 2017 at 5:34 pm
(November 18, 2017 at 5:24 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (November 18, 2017 at 10:58 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I note Martin Luther was able to cite Scripture copiously to support his contentions the Roman Catholic Church wasn't, as I like saying, "doing it right" and to use those same Scriptures to base his schismatic church upon.
-however-
as the centuries have passed since Luther's time, even his Lutheran Church has seen fit to 'adjust' Luther's take on things, even repudiating some of his contentions (yet while still maintaining the Lutheran trade mark!) and the Lutheran church itself has spawned numerous schisms of its own.
Is the fault with the people trying to implement Lutheranism, or is it something deeper, a fault, pernicious and saturating in Holy Scripture itself ??
A given person examining Luther's 93 thesis and the history of the church, and then studying the Bible would say, "Well, obviously! The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is the One True Faith!" and yet another person, reviewing all the above information would say, "How about that!, Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod has NAILED IT !!! Praise Jesus!!"
Where does this come from? Are my 2 hypothetical individuals screwing up? Or did Luther screw up?
Or is it God ?
First let's get this out of the way God never screws up. Second the denominations are man made, mainly through personal interpretation. The only real church is but one, those who believe in Jesus Christ as who He is, we are His bride and He is the groom who has brought us salvation because of who He is. Christianity is simple, God intended it this way for the reason that no one could misunderstand what God's desire for us is. Man want's to complicate things because of their own self righteousness, the original sin.
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Although you are talking absolute shit I feel compelled to reply.
Jesus was a second rate preacher, JTB was the man. The booble could have been such a better collection of books if JTB hadn't lost his head.
Jesus just spied his chance and muscled in, the groundwork had been done already.
I can't stand the fact that Jesus gets a special place in history, when he really didn't deserve it.
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RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
November 18, 2017 at 5:56 pm
(November 18, 2017 at 10:58 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I note Martin Luther was able to cite Scripture copiously to support his contentions the Roman Catholic Church wasn't, as I like saying, "doing it right" and to use those same Scriptures to base his schismatic church upon.
-however-
as the centuries have passed since Luther's time, even his Lutheran Church has seen fit to 'adjust' Luther's take on things, even repudiating some of his contentions (yet while still maintaining the Lutheran trade mark!) and the Lutheran church itself has spawned numerous schisms of its own.
Is the fault with the people trying to implement Lutheranism, or is it something deeper, a fault, pernicious and saturating in Holy Scripture itself ??
A given person examining Luther's 93 thesis and the history of the church, and then studying the Bible would say, "Well, obviously! The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is the One True Faith!" and yet another person, reviewing all the above information would say, "How about that!, Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod has NAILED IT !!! Praise Jesus!!"
Where does this come from? Are my 2 hypothetical individuals screwing up? Or did Luther screw up?
Or is it God ? Luther admitted to manipulating Scripture to teach his theology. He was also very anti-Semitic and his rhetoric of "burn the synagogues" and "kick the Jews out of Germany" was borrowed by the Nazis.
The entire church manipulates Scripture to support their theologic nonsense. The only ones who have it right are the authors of Scripture.
Having read the NT in it's original autographed language I see the unity of one body. However, the clergy divides us infinitely with their theology. Theology, which should be the science of God, has become the showcase of mans goofy ideas! As my brother said:
"Soon after the end of the first-century, so-called theologians of every stripe went to work busily adding their own little twists and spins to the Word of God. In time, these little nuances became unquestionable dogma backed up by absolute power. Many have paid the ultimate price for not following the religious line of the day in lockstep conformity."
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RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
November 18, 2017 at 8:19 pm
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Quote:First let's get this out of the way God never screws up.
Then how come he had to destroy the world with a flood after pronouncing his work "good" just a few chapters before. Sounds like a massive fuck up to me.
It's almost as if the asshole didn't know what was going to happen which strongly argues against "omniscience."
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RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
November 19, 2017 at 3:12 am
There are so many variations because the scriptures have so many different interpretations. This is why there is no way the scriptures would endorse a specific church. They are just thrown together writings, that confuse everyone if they try to take it seriously.
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RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
November 19, 2017 at 4:11 am
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2017 at 4:16 am by KiwiNFLFan.)
The Catholic (and Orthodox) answer to this question would be that Jesus didn't leave men with the Scriptures alone but set up an institutional Church with the authority to teach authoritatively, and it was this Church that put Scripture under one cover and declared which books were part of Scripture.
The Bible is so vague that it's possible for people to interpret it in many different ways. I think one problem is that people are trying to make clear doctrines out of a book that isn't clear. I used to attend an Independent Fundamental KJV Only Baptist church, and a few years later I heard that the guy I used to go out doing door-to-door evangelism ("soul-winning") with has now started his own Independent Fundamental KJV Only Baptist church because he believes that events in the end times will play out differently than the pastor of the original church. Talk about splitting hairs.
I've heard some Christians hold to the concept of adiaphora - issues that aren't clearly taught in Scripture and where it's possible to be orthodox while holding to either side. For example, the Reformed church that I used to attend believed in and practiced infant baptism, yet we had people attend who held to believer's baptism and were welcomed by the church.
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RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
November 19, 2017 at 4:37 am
(November 18, 2017 at 8:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:First let's get this out of the way God never screws up.
Then how come he had to destroy the world with a flood after pronouncing his work "good" just a few chapters before. Sounds like a massive fuck up to me.
It's almost as if the asshole didn't know what was going to happen which strongly argues against "omniscience."
Clown. Do you understand the difference between, freedom and anarchy? Or, the difference between tyranny and justice? Or what it means to be fucked with by an anarchistic tyrannical fuck wad?
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RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
November 19, 2017 at 4:51 am
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Quote:So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
It does - Judaism.
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RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
November 19, 2017 at 8:02 am
(November 19, 2017 at 4:51 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Quote:So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
It does - Judaism.
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RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
November 19, 2017 at 9:28 am
(November 18, 2017 at 8:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:First let's get this out of the way God never screws up.
Then how come he had to destroy the world with a flood after pronouncing his work "good" just a few chapters before. Sounds like a massive fuck up to me.
It's almost as if the asshole didn't know what was going to happen which strongly argues against "omniscience."
Clown.
Aye, dude's well pleased with his creation until chapter six then for, er... reasons, he doesn’t go in to much detail, he decides to drown the fucking lot of them. Apparently he was displeased with the amount of violence in the world, so to put an end to the violence he kills just about every living thing on the planet.
Makes perfect sense.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: So, why doesn't Scripture uniquely endorse a specific denomination ?
November 19, 2017 at 6:12 pm
(November 19, 2017 at 9:28 am)Succubus Wrote:
Quote:Aye, dude's well pleased with his creation until chapter six then for, er... reasons, he doesn’t go in to much detail, he decides to drown the fucking lot of them. Apparently he was displeased with the amount of violence in the world, so to put an end to the violence he kills just about every living thing on the planet.
Makes perfect sense.
That's exactly what happens during most wars. We have a lot of examples in American history regarding the wars between the whites and the Indians.
The Noah flood story is simply a war story. It's probably about the Egyptian invasion of the Levant.
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