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List of reasons to believe God exists?
#21
RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
Well our complex nature seems a bit too complex to exist naturally, so naturally something even more complex must exist to explain our complexity, which something in this case is termed "God".


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#22
RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
(December 4, 2017 at 8:50 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(December 4, 2017 at 8:28 am)Khemikal Wrote: Sure, we do.  What does any of that have to do with a god, though?


That has been explained many times.

In the entire history of the human species, it has never been explained a single time.  I require more from my explanations than a list of the articles of one's faith. If what you've offered is your "reason" to believe..then you have no reason to believe. The things that you desire exist (or don't) regardless of a god. That's profoundly misguided wish-thinking. You're sitting in a diner praying to a fairy for an omelette, and on the basis of having found that omelette before you, surmise that fairies must exist....rather than short order cooks.
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#23
RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
(December 4, 2017 at 9:25 am)Khemikal Wrote:
(December 4, 2017 at 8:50 am)MysticKnight Wrote: That has been explained many times.

In the entire history of the human species, it has never been explained a single time.  I require more from my explanations than a list of the articles of one's faith.  If what you've offered i your "reason" to believe..thgen you have no reason to believe, and the things that you desire exist (or don't) regardless of a god.

"Faith" is only evidence that humans like what they are sold, it isn't universal.

(December 4, 2017 at 1:27 am)Whateverist Wrote: It's mostly the alleged benefits package.  Though anyone who buys that may be interested in a certain bridge spanning the S.F. bay which I can sell for a very attractive price.

Dude get your cliche's right, it is the Brooklyn Bridge. Nobody wants to buy the SF bridge because far too many people jump off of it.  Tongue
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#24
RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
Wallym, just as it is not a reason to believe in something because you wish it to be true, the same is true of dismissing something because you believe it's too good to be true or think it's what everyone wants any ways.

It happens that the best thing possible is true, that is God exists. There is plenty of proofs for it regardless of whether we desire it or hate it.
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#25
RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
(December 4, 2017 at 9:46 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Wallym, just as it is not a reason to believe in something because you wish it to be true, the same is true of dismissing something because you believe it's too good to be true or think it's what everyone wants any ways.

It happens that the best thing possible is true, that is God exists. There is plenty of proofs for it regardless of whether we desire it or hate it.

Then show us the Coddam evidence. You can't can you? without relying on ancient texts, or saying "Look around you." You've got nothing.

I also disagree that God existing would be the best possible thing, especially if it's the God of Abraham.
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#26
RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
(December 4, 2017 at 9:46 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Wallym, just as it is not a reason to believe in something because you wish it to be true, the same is true of dismissing something because you believe it's too good to be true or think it's what everyone wants any ways.

It happens that the best thing possible is true, that is God exists. There is plenty of proofs for it regardless of whether we desire it or hate it.

No, you assume, like Christians and Jews, that if someone rejects a deity claim the atheist is doing it for emotional reasons. Emotions are not a good reason to accept or reject a claim. We reject ALL God/god/diety/super natural claims, not just yours and not just your religion. We reject them, because there is no evidence for such claims. 

I don't "desire" to hate Apollo or Yoda either. I do hate bad logic, sure. 

You have no "proofs" anymore than CL does. I like both of you, but no, I don't buy your claims. I don't buy the logic. I see most humans clinging to old mythology mostly because that is what their parents sold them. 

But I don't "desire" to hate you or CL. I'd also hate it if my late mother went around claiming "The New England Patriots beat the Houston Astros in the Stanley Cup". I love my mom, but sure, if she went around repeating that every day, it would drive me nuts. 

It isn't a "desire" but a reaction one has when reason and facts are accepted when others make absurd claims that don't match that.

Mystic, if I kept claiming to you every day, " My cat can fart ice cream out of his butt." And you knew I was claiming that with all sincerity would you "desire" to hate me, or would that be a reasonable reaction to think or even say, "NO BRIAN, I like you, but it is bullshit to claim your cat can fart ice cream out of his butt".

We reject bad logic, nothing more.
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#27
RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
(December 4, 2017 at 10:16 am)Cod Wrote:
(December 4, 2017 at 9:46 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Wallym, just as it is not a reason to believe in something because you wish it to be true, the same is true of dismissing something because you believe it's too good to be true or think it's what everyone wants any ways.

It happens that the best thing possible is true, that is God exists. There is plenty of proofs for it regardless of whether we desire it or hate it.

Then show us the Coddam evidence. You can't can you? 

I can and I have many times.
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#28
RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
(December 4, 2017 at 10:48 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(December 4, 2017 at 10:16 am)Cod Wrote: Then show us the Coddam evidence. You can't can you? 

I can and I have many times.

I can give the same sort of "evidence" to support the existence of fairies and pixies. Try again.
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#29
RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
Most common reasons to believe in God:

* Daddy does.
* Mommy does.
* Priest guy does.
* Everyone at church does.
* Can that many people be wrong?
* If I'm good I get all the ice cream I want forever.
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#30
RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
They used to make the exact same list with respect to belief in fairies.
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